Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

This is the guy I want but damn it will be hard to envision him slipping to the teens where the 49ers can trade up to get him or at least have a shot.

He could win the Heisman

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
He could win the Heisman

Yep and still be underrated by some fan bases. The young man is very good and destined to be a franchise QB on the right team.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

I actually just mentioned this in the Garoppolo thread.

I'm an Ohio State fan, sure.

That said, and said as objectively as possible, this is a narrative taken drastically out of context. Simply, there have been almost none, as in zero Ohio State QB's that have ever been drafted with the thought of them being a viable NFL starting QB. Haskins and maybe Bobby Hoying quite a few years back would be the two who might fit the mold of "team drafting them wanted them to be the long term starting QB". But the Redskins didn't even draft Haskins with any confidence and who knows/remembers at this point about Hoying or Kent Graham.

The fact is Ohio State hasn't even produced QB's for the NFL that were expected to be successful as anything more than capable backup. Most of the guys were drafted 4th round or lower or simply weren't drafted. You're not looking for much other than that. If you hit on an unexpected starter, great. But it's rare and a bonus.

Haskins is your baseline and that's one guy. And he's had precious little time although yeah right now it's not looking great for him.

Oregon has the list of high profile QB failures- Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Marcus Mariota. But even with that Justin Herbert looks very good so far.

This, "Ohio State QB's fail" is just silly. Because if the expectations were modest to begin with, than they have performed at best slightly below that and maybe just at that level.

Every player is ther own player. Especially over a period of years where even now people are saying "Urban Meyer QB's don't do well in the NFL." Well, Alex Smith has done fine for himself for one. And it's no longer Urban Meyer QB's. It's Ryan Day QB's.

But people bang a silly narrative because it sounds good and they feel like they're important.

Originally posted by jimrat:
Don't waste time and energy arguing with 9moon, you must not read his posts.

No I do. I'm just too nice of a guy.

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
Ohio State QBs worry me. Has there ever been one that has been a success in the NFL?

No offense to you, but this is one of the dumbest narratives for any draft prospect in any sport.

Let me ask you, what about Ohio State, in their entire history, would make it impossible for them to churn out an NFL prospect?

How is it dumb? They have had many successful QBs that have done well at the college level but never seem to do well at the NFL level(Haskins, Pryor, J. Germaine, C. Jones,Krenzel). I could keep going. This is coming from a person who was indoctrinated in the Ohio St Football cult at a very young age.

If you are much smarter, then maybe you can share with us your knowledge about which QB has been successful in the NFL.

Again, let's go piece by piece.

Haskins- great arm but not a finished product. Still not a finished story although it doesn't look great for him. But people here thinks Sam Darnold deserves a chance other than with the Jets. Haskins doesn't deserve a chance other than with "Washington Football Team"?

Pryor was always more athlete than QB. As a matter of fact, there were times where they kept Todd Boeckman in at QB and split Pryor out wide. Not often but they did it. Plus Pryor was an attitude problem waiting to happen and I think that was known. Not because of "tat gate" necessarily but he just was. I knew a guy online who was the uncle of Todd Denlinger, former Ohio State defensive tackle. Pryor acted like a spoiled entitled diva because he was Ohio State's starting QB and was the number one rated prospect in his recruiting class who also was a highly rated basketball player. I recall one story in which a group of players were out and about and a place had closed and Pryor is out there yelling for them to let him/them in because he's Terrelle Pryor.

Besides that, he had clear question marks/flaws as a passer and was a supplemental draft pick (almost all of whom come with baggage) and the Raiders Raidered and saw a stud athlete and made a what the heck pick and still clearly had little to no intention of making him the long term QB.

The other guys you mentioned- Germaine not a legitimate starting QB at the NFL level and no one thought he was. Same with Krenzel. If you were "indoctrinated into the cult" did you really think Craig and his average if that arm was going to light up the NFL, or that any team thought he would? I remember that 2002 championship team well and Craig would look very ordinary and then maybe make a key throw or a nice run at the right time. But there wasn't a draft analyst or a team that like his NFL chances.

Jones had the arm without a doubt. But again, didn't win the starting job at Ohio State, had some processing/consistency issues, and not the most mature guy. He was always going to be a project.

I mean, again, if you're looking at middling NFL QB prospects, middling, or maybe below, NFL results is right in line with what you would expect. Fields is not a middling NFL prospect.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:

My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

I actually just mentioned this in the Garoppolo thread.

I'm an Ohio State fan, sure.

That said, and said as objectively as possible, this is a narrative taken drastically out of context. Simply, there have been almost none, as in zero Ohio State QB's that have ever been drafted with the thought of them being a viable NFL starting QB. Haskins and maybe Bobby Hoying quite a few years back would be the two who might fit the mold of "team drafting them wanted them to be the long term starting QB". But the Redskins didn't even draft Haskins with any confidence and who knows/remembers at this point about Hoying or Kent Graham.

The fact is Ohio State hasn't even produced QB's for the NFL that were expected to be successful as anything more than capable backup. Most of the guys were drafted 4th round or lower or simply weren't drafted. You're not looking for much other than that. If you hit on an unexpected starter, great. But it's rare and a bonus.

Haskins is your baseline and that's one guy. And he's had precious little time although yeah right now it's not looking great for him.

Oregon has the list of high profile QB failures- Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Marcus Mariota. But even with that Justin Herbert looks very good so far.

This, "Ohio State QB's fail" is just silly. Because if the expectations were modest to begin with, than they have performed at best slightly below that and maybe just at that level.

Every player is ther own player. Especially over a period of years where even now people are saying "Urban Meyer QB's don't do well in the NFL." Well, Alex Smith has done fine for himself for one. And it's no longer Urban Meyer QB's. It's Ryan Day QB's.

But people bang a silly narrative because it sounds good and they feel like they're important.

Similar to the "Ohio State is too slow to compete with the SEC" narrative. Ohio State has produced countless All-Pros at every position (minus qb) to disprove this notion.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

I actually just mentioned this in the Garoppolo thread.

I'm an Ohio State fan, sure.

That said, and said as objectively as possible, this is a narrative taken drastically out of context. Simply, there have been almost none, as in zero Ohio State QB's that have ever been drafted with the thought of them being a viable NFL starting QB. Haskins and maybe Bobby Hoying quite a few years back would be the two who might fit the mold of "team drafting them wanted them to be the long term starting QB". But the Redskins didn't even draft Haskins with any confidence and who knows/remembers at this point about Hoying or Kent Graham.

The fact is Ohio State hasn't even produced QB's for the NFL that were expected to be successful as anything more than capable backup. Most of the guys were drafted 4th round or lower or simply weren't drafted. You're not looking for much other than that. If you hit on an unexpected starter, great. But it's rare and a bonus.

Haskins is your baseline and that's one guy. And he's had precious little time although yeah right now it's not looking great for him.

Oregon has the list of high profile QB failures- Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Marcus Mariota. But even with that Justin Herbert looks very good so far.

This, "Ohio State QB's fail" is just silly. Because if the expectations were modest to begin with, than they have performed at best slightly below that and maybe just at that level.

Every player is ther own player. Especially over a period of years where even now people are saying "Urban Meyer QB's don't do well in the NFL." Well, Alex Smith has done fine for himself for one. And it's no longer Urban Meyer QB's. It's Ryan Day QB's.

But people bang a silly narrative because it sounds good and they feel like they're important.

Cardale Jones says hi

Scout the player, not the helmet. Fields is a hell of a prospect.

don't trust him. I would take some of his defensive teammates.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Cardale Jones says hi

Cardale Jones was awful. He had one great game in college, a huge arm, terrible accuracy and poor feel for the position. Never seen someone so unreservedly hyped. Fields is nothing like Jones.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by FranchisePoster:
My point is that none of the QBs from Ohio State have ever been successful in the NFL. I am not wrong. If you care to revisit next year when Fields looks like a bust then I will be happy to tell you I told you so.

I actually just mentioned this in the Garoppolo thread.

I'm an Ohio State fan, sure.

That said, and said as objectively as possible, this is a narrative taken drastically out of context. Simply, there have been almost none, as in zero Ohio State QB's that have ever been drafted with the thought of them being a viable NFL starting QB. Haskins and maybe Bobby Hoying quite a few years back would be the two who might fit the mold of "team drafting them wanted them to be the long term starting QB". But the Redskins didn't even draft Haskins with any confidence and who knows/remembers at this point about Hoying or Kent Graham.

The fact is Ohio State hasn't even produced QB's for the NFL that were expected to be successful as anything more than capable backup. Most of the guys were drafted 4th round or lower or simply weren't drafted. You're not looking for much other than that. If you hit on an unexpected starter, great. But it's rare and a bonus.

Haskins is your baseline and that's one guy. And he's had precious little time although yeah right now it's not looking great for him.

Oregon has the list of high profile QB failures- Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Marcus Mariota. But even with that Justin Herbert looks very good so far.

This, "Ohio State QB's fail" is just silly. Because if the expectations were modest to begin with, than they have performed at best slightly below that and maybe just at that level.

Every player is ther own player. Especially over a period of years where even now people are saying "Urban Meyer QB's don't do well in the NFL." Well, Alex Smith has done fine for himself for one. And it's no longer Urban Meyer QB's. It's Ryan Day QB's.

But people bang a silly narrative because it sounds good and they feel like they're important.

Cardale Jones says hi

Cardale Jones

You mean the guy who didn't win the starting job, did make some nice plays to contribute to winning a national championship, and then couldn't hold on to the starting job or even a time share with Barrett the next season?

He was again a mid round pick (4th round) as a "maybe" because of his size and arm strength.

He also had these weaknesses:
Weaknesses:

• Limited experience; only 11 starts
• Spotty field vision
• Streaky accuracy
• Football I.Q.
• Maturity
• Sometimes holds the ball too long
• Ability to handle adversity

Scouting report from Walter Football for that season.

He did have the physical attributes without a doubt. But you don't pick a QB in the 4th round with the idea "this is our franchise guy". If he is, he is and you won the lottery, basically.

But even with Jones, and this is just some Ohio State fans I saw talking about him when he started out hot in the second run of the XFL, there are opinions that he didn't get even a fair look with the Chargers as he played better at least in the preseason than the competition the Chargers kept on the roster. Now, maybe that wasn't an opinion the Chargers shared. Maybe it had more to do with practices and other things. It is at least somewhat true that there are some guys on every team every year who actually perform really well but due to other reasons don't make a roster and likely were never going to make a roster. Or at least that team's roster.

Dime dropper

3 more touchdowns tonight, 2 incompletions... one a throw away, one a dropped pass. It's only halftime.

He's just so calm and so accurate. I love his mobility in the pocket and how he resets his feet when throwing on the run. His mechanics are excellent. Extremely catchable football, beautiful placement..

There's not a whole lot to like. I think he holds on to the ball sometimes, but it looks like it's the result of the faith he has in his offensive line.

Okay, this dude is a serious baller after watching his previous games and now this one. I see what you guys see.