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Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Apr 2, 2021 at 9:25 AM
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Nice little mashup of Fields under pressure in the 2020 season:


Thanks for this. It's hard to see if he's holding onto the ball too long without seeing the all-22. I will say I don't know who the hell thinks that OL was good this yr

I thought there was some great play moving around and extending, more than likely holding onto the ball too long, and some great accuracy off structure.

you get Kyle scheming up plays with Fields and the rest of the league is in trouble. Like Danny Kelly from the ringer says (Seattle fan too) for the love of god the NFL can't let Kyle get a top QB talent
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:31 AM
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Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Does anyone know if it accounts for how well the o-line picked up the blitz? What I mean is Mac Jones line may have protected him better vs Fields or Lance etc.

it isnt passer rating against blitz its passer rating under pressure

Right. It doesn't matter how he's pressured. It can be from a blitz (quick pressure), it can be from him holding the ball too long and putting his OL in a tough spot to have to pass protect too long. If I understand that stat correctly, it's simply how does he perform throwing the ball when there is pressure applied. Is he getting the ball out quick enough and to an open target.

Some guys are just built for making really quick decisions. When I watch him play, I don't see him being naturally gifted in that department. Can a good coach help him improve in that area? Probably to a certain degree...This is my major area of concern with Fields because there's a lot to like about him.

Steve Young had an interesting comment on KNBR the other day. The asked him what he would choose at QB between 1) Great processor/Good athlete or 2) Good Processor/Great athlete...he said he'd take the great processor.

The great processor has a much better chance at aging well and playing into their mid-late 30s so that's the obvious benefit. I'd prefer the great processor as well even if the #2 in your post above has a better early part of his career as he uses his athleticism to make highlight plays the #1 can't. The great processor is more consistent game in, game out.
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:32 AM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Nice little mashup of Fields under pressure in the 2020 season:


Thanks for this. It's hard to see if he's holding onto the ball too long without seeing the all-22. I will say I don't know who the hell thinks that OL was good this yr

I thought there was some great play moving around and extending, more than likely holding onto the ball too long, and some great accuracy off structure.

you get Kyle scheming up plays with Fields and the rest of the league is in trouble. Like Danny Kelly from the ringer says (Seattle fan too) for the love of god the NFL can't let Kyle get a top QB talent

Thanks for this video. Yeah frustrating to watch QB play without the all22, but still helpful.
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:37 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Nice little mashup of Fields under pressure in the 2020 season:


Thanks for this. It's hard to see if he's holding onto the ball too long without seeing the all-22. I will say I don't know who the hell thinks that OL was good this yr

I thought there was some great play moving around and extending, more than likely holding onto the ball too long, and some great accuracy off structure.

you get Kyle scheming up plays with Fields and the rest of the league is in trouble. Like Danny Kelly from the ringer says (Seattle fan too) for the love of god the NFL can't let Kyle get a top QB talent

Watching this made me want Fields even more.
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:43 AM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Nice little mashup of Fields under pressure in the 2020 season:


Thanks for this. It's hard to see if he's holding onto the ball too long without seeing the all-22. I will say I don't know who the hell thinks that OL was good this yr

I thought there was some great play moving around and extending, more than likely holding onto the ball too long, and some great accuracy off structure.

you get Kyle scheming up plays with Fields and the rest of the league is in trouble. Like Danny Kelly from the ringer says (Seattle fan too) for the love of god the NFL can't let Kyle get a top QB talent

Watching this made me want Fields even more.

Apr 2, 2021 at 9:45 AM

this shouldn't be hard people lol. I really think he's the guy
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:47 AM
Fields is the only guy that hasn't been mentioned yet and that makes me think he is the pick.
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:53 AM
Originally posted by rathman4481:
Fields is the only guy that hasn't been mentioned yet and that makes me think he is the pick.

Yeah it's kinda been the MO for this FO...Kinlaw, Aiyuk, McGlinchey, he'll even Bosa there was all kinds of talk about QW pre-draft.

we will see
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:53 AM
Originally posted by rathman4481:
Fields is the only guy that hasn't been mentioned yet and that makes me think he is the pick.

Hope so, Atlanta, Denver, and Carolina will be doing cartwheels if we pick Jones.
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:54 AM
whoops wrong thread
[ Edited by Heroism on Apr 2, 2021 at 9:54 AM ]
Apr 2, 2021 at 9:54 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:

this shouldn't be hard people lol. I really think he's the guy

You can always trust Warren Sharp.
Apr 2, 2021 at 10:01 AM
I was a mac jones fan before we traded. I figured he was the best QB we had a shot at. I was hoping we trade down and grab him late 1st or early 2nd.

Didn't bother reviewing Fields/Lance because I figured we had no shot.

After the trade up I went into research mode on the QBs.

I am all aboard the Justin Fields bandwagon.

If...and I mean big IF Fields is truly weak at processing and doesn't improve then KS scheming still makes him a viable QB. I dont believe he is bad at reading a D. He isn't near Jones level but he is better than Beathard for example. The Clemson and Alabama games to end his college career are good indicators to me.

That is our worst case scenario.

If Fields improves the processing side then holy crap the NFL better watch out. You pair KS schemes with that arm talent and add the threat of a QB run...phew.

I think the gamble is worth the risk.
Apr 2, 2021 at 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

this shouldn't be hard people lol. I really think he's the guy

You can always trust Warren Sharp.

There's some really good data in here...
Apr 2, 2021 at 10:09 AM
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by thl408:
Hopefully there's some context to be added to explain the dramatic dropoff when pressured. I see him get blitzed up the middle a lot, just an observation.

We're gonna gloss over this? This is a not a good stat to be bad at. My assumption is that this stat doesn't count plays where Fields is pressured and escapes to pick up positive yards with his legs. That's not a pass attempt in the boxscore, so it doesn't affect his 'Under Pressure Rating' passing, but it is a positive net gain. Either way I don't like the looks of this stat. Forget how it compares to the other two QBs, in a vacuum it's not good.

Also PFF FWIW

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1376551462176751620

Fifth in this class against the blitz. Obviously it's a different stat than the 'under pressure' metric but I think it complicates a simple 'he isn't good versus pressure' kind of story. Maybe the blitzes never get home so they don't count as pressures or maybe he wants to make big plays so badly he holds on to the ball and pressure that shouldn't get to him does. (That little spin out he does against free rushers from the blindside is fun.) Maybe it has something to do with his processing. Maybe it's a combo. Like his ego, intelligence and the scheme combine to make a guy who does bad stuff under pressure. I'm hoping Lynch and Co can tease all that apart.
[ Edited by kbarlows1000ydseason on Apr 2, 2021 at 10:12 AM ]
Apr 2, 2021 at 10:11 AM
Highest ADOT and ADOC among all the top 5 QBs

Between 2016-2020 3rd overall QB in comp % on passes in the 11-19 range (Only Correll/Mayfield are higher).

had a MUCH better turnover worthy ratio (3.1%) on plays that last longer than 2.5 sec compared to Jones (4.3%)

all the data says Fields is the man & the film says fields is the man....kyle don't f**k this up lol.
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