Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by NYniner85:

careful what you listen to

Justin Fields is...

1 of 3 QBs since 2004 ranking top-15 in QBR in 2 different yrs

the only QB since 2016 w/ 2 yrs in the top-20 of comp % on intermediate att

the #1 QB in 2021 in aDOT & depth of comp

more from @DanPizzuta:https://t.co/cmieC5z9FF

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 2, 2021

this shouldn't be hard people lol. I really think he's the guy

The reported hang-ups in Fields's game don't even really make that much of an impact in his actual play. The biggest "knock" has been his processing speed and a tendency to hold onto the ball too long. That process comes from the structure of the Ohio State offense. It's been widely mentioned that the Buckeyes have their receivers run option routes, which forced Fields to wait on the receiver to make his move before the ball was thrown.

But outside of that, the overly vertical element of the Ohio State offense was something that played into Fields's time to throw. His career average depth of target and average depth of completion are both highs among the top five quarterbacks in this class, according to the 2021 SIS Football Rookie Handbook.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Highest ADOT and ADOC among all the top 5 QBs

Between 2016-2020 3rd overall QB in comp % on passes in the 11-19 range (Only Correll/Mayfield are higher).

had a MUCH better turnover worthy ratio (3.1%) on plays that last longer than 2.5 sec compared to Jones (4.3%)

all the data says Fields is the man & the film says fields is the man....kyle don't f**k this up lol.

This is what it boils down to for me. When I watch Fields there's times where he looks bored. A free rusher comes and he just brushes em to the side. I do believe that's why he held on to the ball was cause he figured he could always get free from the first rusher.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Nice little mashup of Fields under pressure in the 2020 season:

Thanks for this. It's hard to see if he's holding onto the ball too long without seeing the all-22. I will say I don't know who the hell thinks that OL was good this yr

I thought there was some great play moving around and extending, more than likely holding onto the ball too long, and some great accuracy off structure.

you get Kyle scheming up plays with Fields and the rest of the league is in trouble. Like Danny Kelly from the ringer says (Seattle fan too) for the love of god the NFL can't let Kyle get a top QB talent

Watching this made me want Fields even more.

Mac Jones can't make most of those plays.

I don't see how anyone can look at this class and where we pick and not come away with we are taking the one that is left out of Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

careful what you listen to

Justin Fields is...

1 of 3 QBs since 2004 ranking top-15 in QBR in 2 different yrs

the only QB since 2016 w/ 2 yrs in the top-20 of comp % on intermediate att

the #1 QB in 2021 in aDOT & depth of comp

more from @DanPizzuta:https://t.co/cmieC5z9FF

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) April 2, 2021

this shouldn't be hard people lol. I really think he's the guy

The reported hang-ups in Fields's game don't even really make that much of an impact in his actual play. The biggest "knock" has been his processing speed and a tendency to hold onto the ball too long. That process comes from the structure of the Ohio State offense. It's been widely mentioned that the Buckeyes have their receivers run option routes, which forced Fields to wait on the receiver to make his move before the ball was thrown.

But outside of that, the overly vertical element of the Ohio State offense was something that played into Fields's time to throw. His career average depth of target and average depth of completion are both highs among the top five quarterbacks in this class, according to the 2021 SIS Football Rookie Handbook.

That's what I noticed from my limited viewing. OSU really likes to go for those intermediate/deep routes while not having many options in the short range. That probably plays a part into Fields' mentality when executing the plays. Meaning if your playbook consists of plays that are aggressively looking to hit the 15+ yarder, then it's natural to look for those routes and hang on to the ball looking while waiting for those routes to develop. If the playbook has a bunch of 3/5 step timing throws, then the QB will focus on those shorter routes. I like Warren Sharp and the advanced stats he puts up.

Originally posted by kbarlows1000ydseason:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by thl408:
Hopefully there's some context to be added to explain the dramatic dropoff when pressured. I see him get blitzed up the middle a lot, just an observation.

We're gonna gloss over this? This is a not a good stat to be bad at. My assumption is that this stat doesn't count plays where Fields is pressured and escapes to pick up positive yards with his legs. That's not a pass attempt in the boxscore, so it doesn't affect his 'Under Pressure Rating' passing, but it is a positive net gain. Either way I don't like the looks of this stat. Forget how it compares to the other two QBs, in a vacuum it's not good.

Also PFF FWIW

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1376551462176751620

Fifth in this class against the blitz. Obviously it's a different stat than the 'under pressure' metric but I think it complicates a simple 'he isn't good versus pressure' kind of story. Maybe the blitzes never get home so they don't count as pressures or maybe he wants to make big plays so badly he holds on to the ball and pressure that shouldn't get to him does. (That little spin out he does against free rushers from the blindside is fun.) Maybe it has something to do with his processing. Maybe it's a combo. Like his ego, intelligence and the scheme combine to make a guy who does bad stuff under pressure. I'm hoping Lynch and Co can tease all that apart.

Yeah I think you got that right regarding how the stats differ. I like a QB that senses pressure and if there's an open target, or a target about to get open, let's it rip in the face of pressure. I've seen Fields do this, but how often I don't know (we can cherry pick clips of a QB doing a little bit of everything). Once that QB chooses to spin/evade the pressure, the timing of the play is now ruined and it's scramble drill time. That's where highlight plays happen and fans love it, but when the QB goes to the sideline he gets a stern lecture from Kyle.

Originally posted by Costanza:
Some guys are just built for making really quick decisions. When I watch him play, I don't see him being naturally gifted in that department. Can a good coach help him improve in that area? Probably to a certain degree...This is my major area of concern with Fields because there's a lot to like about him.

Steve Young had an interesting comment on KNBR the other day. The asked him what he would choose at QB between 1) Great processor/Good athlete or 2) Good Processor/Great athlete...he said he'd take the great processor.

although this is true i want to be fair to fields

that system runs a lot of vertical and deep routes so although i would call it a weak point i wouldnt say it is something he is lacking.

That trait is the hardest to pick up/learn which is honestly why im leaning toward lance or jones (again i would be happy with fields)

Originally posted by ninerFate:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jvangeystel:
Not a great day vs Northwestern. Some accuracy issues but also wasn't getting much help from his offense like at all. There's no context because this is my first game watching him. You can easily tell he didn't have what Mac Jones did. I like the feel for that pressure and how he escapes and keeps his eyes down field.

lol oh that's the first game you watched....never mind the whole 2019 season or two of the biggest games at the end of the yr

Chill bro I know he's good and I'm leaning his direction as of right now but that's literally the first video I found on YouTube that wasn't highlights or someone else's analysis. I'll keep watching. But you gotta admit it wasn't a great game because o-line constantly giving up pressure and recievers dropping balls all day. He didn't have the help Mac did.

Thank you!

Why I like Lance best:



When Lance fails to see a guy, it's usually (to what I've seen) because his eyes are glued downfield. I'm not seeing lots of touchdowns left on the field with Lance.

I do see some concerns; like Lance will see the target, and then dance around because he wants a better passing lane. But I think that's easier to coach out of him than this issue for Fields.

Unless this is just scheme, and Fields was supposed to completely ignore the wide open touchdown on the corner here.

Interesting. Scout who has nailed a lot of picks lists fields as our best option.

I believe any QB can succeed and hit his ceiling with the proper situation and coaching. Even the round 4 guys like Mond and Mills can reach their full potential if they are developed properly. To me, Fields has the higuest ceiling of this entire class. As long as he doesn't fall to a dogcrap situation like it happened to Rosen or Darnold, or what was happening to Baker, he'll reach it. I trust in Shanahan and Scangarello to develop the kid. I wouldn't want to see him play at all in 2021 just let Jimmy G start with Fields learning.
Trey Lance is the most complicated to evaluate because of the limited tape on him. He is the biggest boom or bust here.
With Mac Jones it can go from an awful Mike Glennon type of QB, to a really good one like Eli Manning (who won two big games with an strong supporting cast). But I can't get convinced he'd be worth all the draft capital invested on trading up.
If they are taking this risk, lets go with the guy with the higuest ceiling. Take Justin Fields, then draft his teammate Josh Myers in round 2. Yeah he has legit concerns, like any other prospect. He has this weird Blake Bortles kind of throwing motion. Recognizing blitzes could also be an issue. But that's why you let him warm the bench his rookie season and let him learn all this stuff.

Originally posted by rathman4481:


Interesting. Scout who has nailed a lot of picks lists fields as our best option.

Since they are clearly trying to hid it... Its Haberman & Middlekauff. Not exactly someone with the best reputation.

Originally posted by rathman4481:


Interesting. Scout who has nailed a lot of picks lists fields as our best option.

Brett Veach(Chiefs) and Howie Roseman(Eagles) are Middlekauff's guys, so there's a good chance they're the ones ranking them.

If it's Veach...he was the driving force behind Patrick Mahomes to KC, and he loved Josh Allen.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why I like Lance best:



When Lance fails to see a guy, it's usually (to what I've seen) because his eyes are glued downfield. I'm not seeing lots of touchdowns left on the field with Lance.

I do see some concerns; like Lance will see the target, and then dance around because he wants a better passing lane. But I think that's easier to coach out of him than this issue for Fields.

Unless this is just scheme, and Fields was supposed to completely ignore the wide open touchdown on the corner here.

That is a terrible play to evaluate him "ignoring a wide open touchdown." The center gets pushed back 5 yards into his face just before he becomes wide open. Fields actually gets through his progressions here. He looks towards his left first and the corner closest to the sideline has yet to break towards the LOS.That is the corner who blew the coverage. In Fields' defense, that may have been designed to be his first read. He wasn't open when he first looked at him. There isn't enough time to go back to that read by the time he becomes wide open because of the pressure in his face.

Originally posted by Scratch:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why I like Lance best:



When Lance fails to see a guy, it's usually (to what I've seen) because his eyes are glued downfield. I'm not seeing lots of touchdowns left on the field with Lance.

I do see some concerns; like Lance will see the target, and then dance around because he wants a better passing lane. But I think that's easier to coach out of him than this issue for Fields.

Unless this is just scheme, and Fields was supposed to completely ignore the wide open touchdown on the corner here.

That is a terrible play to evaluate him "ignoring a wide open touchdown." The center gets pushed back 5 yards into his face just before he becomes wide open. Fields actually gets through his progressions here. He looks towards his left first and the corner closest to the sideline has yet to break towards the LOS.That is the corner who blew the coverage. In Fields' defense, that may have been designed to be his first read. He wasn't open when he first looked at him. There isn't enough time to go back to that read by the time he becomes wide open because of the pressure in his face.

Let's also point out that you can find film of every QB on the planet missing a wide open receiver.

Here's what I don't understand. A lot of posters are telling us how great Kyle could be with Jones and I'm not discounting that, but wouldn't that same logic apply to Fields as well or is he some dumbass that can't be coached?
Now add in what Kyle said, they basically want to sit the rookie and develop him as properly as possible. Imo that makes even more sense for Fields/Lance's potential since nobody is arguing they have the higher ceiling vs Jones.