Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

"He mostly throws to his first read!"

"ok but was that guy open?"

"...yes"

"ok did he compete the pass?"

"...yes"

????

wtf are we even talking about

Originally posted by okdkid:

"He mostly throws to his first read!"

"ok but was that guy open?"

"...yes"

"ok did he compete the pass?"

"...yes"

????

wtf are we even talking about

The draft can't come soon enough

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Scratch:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why I like Lance best:



When Lance fails to see a guy, it's usually (to what I've seen) because his eyes are glued downfield. I'm not seeing lots of touchdowns left on the field with Lance.

I do see some concerns; like Lance will see the target, and then dance around because he wants a better passing lane. But I think that's easier to coach out of him than this issue for Fields.

Unless this is just scheme, and Fields was supposed to completely ignore the wide open touchdown on the corner here.

That is a terrible play to evaluate him "ignoring a wide open touchdown." The center gets pushed back 5 yards into his face just before he becomes wide open. Fields actually gets through his progressions here. He looks towards his left first and the corner closest to the sideline has yet to break towards the LOS.That is the corner who blew the coverage. In Fields' defense, that may have been designed to be his first read. He wasn't open when he first looked at him. There isn't enough time to go back to that read by the time he becomes wide open because of the pressure in his face.

That isn't me. That's J. T. O'Sullivan, Ph. D, who for some reason, despite being among the best there is at this, having a doctorate, and playing in professional football for almost 10 years, is "garbage."

Source:


Side note: the ball should have been thrown the second the corner starting running down. This is a basic concept everyone from high school to the NFL runs, and most of the time, that corner and the will are who you're keying on. There was plenty of time to throw that.

Oh yeah: he ranks Fields over Jones, but of course he's wrong here because it's a criticism of Fields.

Nobody is saying you can't critique that play. What we are saying is you can't say Lance is better than Fields because he doesn't do this. Like Lance has never missed an open guy and Fields does it all the time.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The train looks more like this based on what I've seen from 49er fans on social media

Originally posted by okdkid:
"He mostly throws to his first read!"
"ok but was that guy open?"
"...yes"
"ok did he compete the pass?"
"...yes"
????
wtf are we even talking about

Originally posted by Jcool:

PFF Grade on throws past 1st read since 2019: (min. 60 attempts)

1st - Justin Fields - 90.6
2nd - Zach Wilson - 90.1
3rd - Trey Lance - 87.2
...
7th - Trevor Lawrence - 78.6
8th - Mac Jones - 75.7 pic.twitter.com/CEWpY86rwC

— PFF (@PFF) April 2, 2021

The stat is trying to show how well the QB performs when the first read is covered. It's interesting but I don't trust PFF to know which WR is the first read.

Originally posted by thl408:
The stat is trying to show how well the QB performs when the first read is covered. It's interesting but I don't trust PFF to know which WR is the first read.

yeah that would kind of be a hard stat to even judge. Some passing plays it's pretty obvious but most are not

Originally posted by thl408:
The stat is trying to show how well the QB performs when the first read is covered. It's interesting but I don't trust PFF to know which WR is the first read.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by okdkid:
"He mostly throws to his first read!"
"ok but was that guy open?"
"...yes"
"ok did he compete the pass?"
"...yes"
????
wtf are we even talking about

Originally posted by Jcool:

PFF Grade on throws past 1st read since 2019: (min. 60 attempts)

1st - Justin Fields - 90.6
2nd - Zach Wilson - 90.1
3rd - Trey Lance - 87.2
...
7th - Trevor Lawrence - 78.6
8th - Mac Jones - 75.7 pic.twitter.com/CEWpY86rwC

— PFF (@PFF) April 2, 2021

The stat is trying to show how well the QB performs when the first read is covered. It's interesting but I don't trust PFF to know which WR is the first read.

And the appropriateness of when TO move off that first read is OK. That's super subjective too.

Jeff Garcia just said he'd pick Fields at #3, for what it's worth.

Originally posted by Murphys1:
Jeff Garcia just said he'd pick Fields at #3, for what it's worth.

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Originally posted by okdkid:
"He mostly throws to his first read!"

"ok but was that guy open?"

"...yes"

"ok did he compete the pass?"

"...yes"

????

wtf are we even talking about

For fun, the flip side is:

"I keep scheming up my first read. Why are you moving off it so quickly and not pulling the trigger?"

"I don't know coach...a bit trigger-shy and I'm just not used to playing within the structure of the play call. I like to make my own plays. "

"Go away. Bring in Carr."

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:
The stat is trying to show how well the QB performs when the first read is covered. It's interesting but I don't trust PFF to know which WR is the first read.

I know this might be a hard concept to grasp but there are people that know which read is first in the progression based on the concept the offense is running.

— Nicky the twitch (@am3n_st) April 2, 2021

Of course there are people that have an idea. I have an idea myself of what's the first read because on many route combinations the progressions are built into it. I just don't trust the PFF guys to. If you trust them then good for you.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:
The stat is trying to show how well the QB performs when the first read is covered. It's interesting but I don't trust PFF to know which WR is the first read.

I know this might be a hard concept to grasp but there are people that know which read is first in the progression based on the concept the offense is running.

— Nicky the twitch (@am3n_st) April 2, 2021

Of course there are people that have an idea. I have an idea myself of what's the first read because on many route combinations the progressions are built into it. I just don't trust the PFF guys to. If you trust them then good for you.

Sooooo true.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by thl408:
The stat is trying to show how well the QB performs when the first read is covered. It's interesting but I don't trust PFF to know which WR is the first read.

I know this might be a hard concept to grasp but there are people that know which read is first in the progression based on the concept the offense is running.

— Nicky the twitch (@am3n_st) April 2, 2021

Of course there are people that have an idea. I have an idea myself of what's the first read because on many route combinations the progressions are built into it. I just don't trust the PFF guys to. If you trust them then good for you.

No reason not to trust them. They do this for a living. But because people prejudge things and when that doesn't match up with the numbers they always go with their feelings.

Originally posted by Jcool:
No reason not to trust them. They do this for a living. But because people prejudge things and when that doesn't match up with the numbers they always go with their feelings.

Oh, there is a myriad of reasons not to trust them. Look no further than their grades for Fred Warner in 2019 and 2020. They had him graded as a backup LB through most of 2019, but once they realized the league recognized Fred Warner was fantastic, they began to drastically change their grades for him, especially in 2020. Anyone with a brain realizes Fred didn't go from a backup player in 2019 to an elite LB in 2020. The dude was already playing at a high level in 2019. PFF clearly wasn't watching the tape.

I have no doubt PFF makes s**t up. Maybe not all of their grades are made up, but there are 100% fabricated grades mixed in.