Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Not true at all. Ohio State has had two first round quarterbacks in their history prior to Fields. One being Schlister in 1982, the other being Haskins. Neither was an athlete.

They've had plenty of Heisman candidates. Plenty of NFL QB prospects. None of been developed enough as a passer and that may continue with Fields as OSU qbs have it easy as f. See Haskins putting up 4700 yards then flopping in a year. Running a faster 40 doesn't fix that.

Haskins flopping in the NFL has nothing to do with the OSU offense or his talent. It has everything to do with his work ethic and desire.

He also had ridiculous talent to play with.

Originally posted by genus49:
Mahomes said he didn't learn how to read a defense until mid last season. His mental processing was far from a strength. Guy was drafted high because of his ability to make plays, a lot of which came with his big arm and athletic ability.

Mahomes should be an excellent lesson in giving a guy with terrific athletic toolset and arm talent a chance to develop vs going with an inferior talent just because they're a system fit(Cousins)

Mahomes had awful mechanics as well...horrible footwork coming out college. Same with Allen

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Not true at all. Ohio State has had two first round quarterbacks in their history prior to Fields. One being Schlister in 1982, the other being Haskins. Neither was an athlete.

They've had plenty of Heisman candidates. Plenty of NFL QB prospects. None of been developed enough as a passer and that may continue with Fields as OSU qbs have it easy as f. See Haskins putting up 4700 yards then flopping in a year. Running a faster 40 doesn't fix that.

Haskins flopping in the NFL has nothing to do with the OSU offense or his talent. It has everything to do with his work ethic and desire.

He also had ridiculous talent to play with.

Haskins



it was all dump offs and easy pass plays for Haskins. That was a huge debate with him coming out of the draft...

Not true with fields.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Not true at all. Ohio State has had two first round quarterbacks in their history prior to Fields. One being Schlister in 1982, the other being Haskins. Neither was an athlete.

They've had plenty of Heisman candidates. Plenty of NFL QB prospects. None of been developed enough as a passer and that may continue with Fields as OSU qbs have it easy as f. See Haskins putting up 4700 yards then flopping in a year. Running a faster 40 doesn't fix that.

Haskins flopping in the NFL has nothing to do with the OSU offense or his talent. It has everything to do with his work ethic and desire.

He also had ridiculous talent to play with.

Haskins

Percentage of passing yards that came before the catch (air yards) for Ohio State QBs + Power 5 Rank:

Justin Fields, 2020 — 70% (1st)
Justin Fields, 2019 — 72% (1st)

...

Dwayne Haskins, 2018 — 51% (41st)
JT Barrett, 2017 — 48% (52nd)

— Austin Gayle (@PFF_AustinGayle) March 31, 2021

Weren't enough easy/QB friendly completions for Fields... Interesting to look at scheme change from Haskins

Ohio State QBs - Under 2.5 Seconds

2018 Haskins: 229 Completions
25 TDs, 2 INTs, 73.9% Completions

2019 Fields: 120 Completions
12 TDs, 0 INTs, 80.5% Completions

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) April 3, 2021

it was all dump offs and easy pass plays for Haskins. Not true with fields.

Yeah I'd stay away from a QB who mostly just had dump off and easy pass plays.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
JT Barrett did not have a big arm.

Braxton Miller had a solid arm, but was small and was NEVER a quarterback prospect. He was, however, a great athlete who got drafted as a receiver.

Terrelle Pryor was dumb as a box of rocks and was an inconsistent thrower, despite that he was drafted highly in the supplemental draft as a quarterback, transitioned to receiver and actually had a couple thousand yard seasons.

Troy Smith, also small with a solid arm at best, a long windup and a serious anger issue along with other off the field issues.

Cardale Jones was VERY talented, but couldn't put it all together. I'm convinced if he went to the right team under the right mentorship he could have been a starter. But still, he was a sleeper prospect and a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Again, despite their successes, athletic ability or lack thereof... none of these guys were considered slam dunks or 1st round picks, hence, the bust title doesnt apply.

I agree with your write ups it doesn't change the success OSU had with them. They were Heisman candidates or very close to it, have ran thru the Big 10 at a 69-4 record thru that time period. It is a very easy place to play QB at. They also just produced a QB in Haskins who flopped miserably despite putting up better passing numbers than Fields.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by strickac:
I've been critical of Fields, but his Bama tape made me think differently. I heard DJ talking about that too at his Pro Day. In that game you get to see a little of everything from Fields. He was under pressure early and was getting bullied in the pocket. He started using his legs a little and found some room to make throws. Then, they went to the RPO and play-action and it opened things up a little more. His WRs dropped everything that game and they still moved the ball on offense.

Bama's offense was just too much for them. No one is going to put up 50 points on Bama to keep pace.

Mac on the other hand, was like a video game. Count to 5, then throw deep to a wide open WR. He's so hard to evaluate because he had Smith, Waddle or Metchie wide open half the time. His highlight videos are basically an indictment of how dominant Smith was. Couple that with the best RB in the nation standing in the backfield and it was just open season.

Mac at #3 makes my stomach hurt. A mobile QB in Kyle's offense makes me very optimistic.

I vote Fields but that doesn't mean we need to crap on Jones.

When you are good at something you make it look easy and people who are watching dont appreciate how you got from point A to point B.

Jones finds the mis matches and knows where to go pre snap. That is his QB super power.

His targets look wide open bc he is manipulating the defense to make it happen.

The most common clip is the deep bomb to Waddle v Texas A&M. If you watch film break down the reason Waddle is open is bc Jones absolutely abuses the safety with his pump fake.

I'm not crapping on Jones. As I stated, he's hard to evaluate. His WRs were just incredible. When I watch Jones I'm constantly in awe of how good Smith is and the ease at which he beats coverage.
Pre-snap, that's the read... always. Kidding, but he's that good.

Bama's speed at WR gave them an air raid, Mike Leach feel, which is odd considering what Bama's offense has been for so many years. They were collectively as talented as some NFL offenses. Scary amount of talent.

All we can do is trust Kyle's judgement on this one. We gave up a lot to get our guy. Let's just hope they nail it.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah I'd stay away from a QB who mostly just had dump off and easy pass plays.

If you want to compare anyone it's Tua and Jones.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I agree with your write ups it doesn't change the success OSU had with them. They were Heisman candidates or very close to it, have ran thru the Big 10 at a 69-4 record thru that time period. It is a very easy place to play QB at. They also just produced a QB in Haskins who flopped miserably despite putting up better passing numbers than Fields.

Try reading the last few posts...

the Fields and Haskins comparisons are beyond lazy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah I'd stay away from a QB who mostly just had dump off and easy pass plays.

If you want to compare anyone it's Tua and Jones.

Yeah. And I'm not giving up on Tua personally I hope he does well. But from what I saw last year with the Dolphins they might be in trouble.

Originally posted by genus49:
Try reading the last few posts...

the Fields and Haskins comparisons are beyond lazy.

Haskins was a pocket QB you will have more dump offs and screens for him. I know you guys think that's a cardinal sin but how much did Tom Brady dump off to Welker? How much of our offense now is screens and gadget plays?

McShay, Kiper (who sucks also) wannabee, now has Fields out of top 10. Lol. Going to NE in a trade up with the NYG at 11. Thereby assuring another Patriot dynasty.

From a PFF article talking about top QB heading into 2020 college season.

Something to think about with people questioning Fields' under pressure numbers from 2020

While the Buckeyes came up just short of a College Football Playoff title game appearance in 2019, they should be optimistic for 2020 considering they'll return the second-best quarterback by PFF passing grade in Justin Fields. The greatest strength of the second-year quarterback is his pocket passing. In addition to owning the highest pocket-passing grade, he threw the third-lowest rate of uncatchable passes when passing beyond the sticks. [b]Fields' patience in the pocket shines, and pressure doesn't throw him off his game like most other quarterbacks due to his elite athleticism. Under duress, Fields' passing grade is still near the top at seventh, and he has averaged over 7.4 yards per scramble.[/b]

Fields has been near perfect when he throws a quick pass in 2.0 seconds or less, ranking first in grade and throwing the lowest rate of uncatchable passes (3.7%). He's second for now, but he is by no means locked into that spot. Nine of his 14 games have ended with a passing grade above 80.0. At the level he's playing at, he'll enter the season as one of the highly coveted prospects in the 2021 draft class and could end the year as the most coveted.

Now recall all the BS OSU dealt with in terms of covid. Cancelled practice galore, remember the offense they run that takes time to develop and doesn't do a great job with check downs or blitz beaters and maybe just maybe his under pressure numbers this year were low for several easy to fix reasons especially in our offense?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I agree with your write ups it doesn't change the success OSU had with them. They were Heisman candidates or very close to it, have ran thru the Big 10 at a 69-4 record thru that time period. It is a very easy place to play QB at. They also just produced a QB in Haskins who flopped miserably despite putting up better passing numbers than Fields.

Try reading the last few posts...

the Fields and Haskins comparisons are beyond lazy.

ya but that would ago against what he said and show that he's wrong, why would he want to do that?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
ya but that would ago against what he said and show that he's wrong, why would he want to do that?

Ot maybe I was responding to an earlier post then a few popped up in the process.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Haskins was a pocket QB you will have more dump offs and screens for him. I know you guys think that's a cardinal sin but how much did Tom Brady dump off to Welker? How much of our offense now is screens and gadget plays?

Only 20% of fields passing attempts where outside the pocket.

brady was one of the top CAY in the league this past yr