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Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Apr 3, 2021 at 12:20 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Montana and Young had the same offense and the same players surrounded him... Steve Young had better stats year in and year out..

WAS HE BETTER THAN JOE ??

Don't ask me I'm not the one bringing up stats to say who's better...

but do YOU think Mac is better than Tua AFTER last season in Alabama ??
Apr 3, 2021 at 12:22 PM
Originally posted by 9moon:
but do YOU think Mac is better than Tua AFTER last season in Alabama ??

No I don't...I think Tua has all the same skill sets that Jones has as far as reading coverages pre/post. He was very accurate at Bama. He had great field vision all the same...Tua actually has a better arm and can move.

I don't care about stats in college all that much...it's about traits.
Apr 3, 2021 at 1:21 PM
Apr 3, 2021 at 1:51 PM
Fields stock seems to be falling and Lance seems to be rising. Is it smokescreens or is there a legit reason for it? Can't wait to find out
I love draft season
Apr 3, 2021 at 2:32 PM
Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Fields stock seems to be falling and Lance seems to be rising. Is it smokescreens or is there a legit reason for it? Can't wait to find out
I love draft season

My first Cossell listen, he was pretty firm on it being between Lance and Mac. Now rumors are the same. Who knows.
Apr 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Fields stock seems to be falling and Lance seems to be rising. Is it smokescreens or is there a legit reason for it? Can't wait to find out
I love draft season

My first Cossell listen, he was pretty firm on it being between Lance and Mac. Now rumors are the same. Who knows.

Yeah, he said Lance did a lot of RPO etc which makes him more NFL ready and for Kyle today. Jones pure pocket guy. He said for Fields the sky is the limit, which told me he think he needs a bit of time, but has what it takes. He didn't really knock anyone. If anything i found it funny he thinks Trevor is a bit overblown lol
Apr 3, 2021 at 3:02 PM
Most of us here clearly value Fields a lot, but most experts and analysts seem to have him as QB3 at best. Why do ya'll think there is so much of a difference of opinion between us and them?

They're experts, sure, many of them having played or coached at the NFL level, but that doesnt necessarily mean they do their homework. On the other hand, most of us here are fans and are prone to exciting plays and players, but there is so much content in this thread... advanced stats, all 22 angles and literally every snap of his career.

I personally feel most of these experts listen to each other and whatever connections they have. And with all the smoke screens that are out, it would make sense that they dont value Justin like we do.
Apr 3, 2021 at 3:30 PM
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Most of us here clearly value Fields a lot, but most experts and analysts seem to have him as QB3 at best. Why do ya'll think there is so much of a difference of opinion between us and them?

They're experts, sure, many of them having played or coached at the NFL level, but that doesnt necessarily mean they do their homework. On the other hand, most of us here are fans and are prone to exciting plays and players, but there is so much content in this thread... advanced stats, all 22 angles and literally every snap of his career.

I personally feel most of these experts listen to each other and whatever connections they have. And with all the smoke screens that are out, it would make sense that they dont value Justin like we do.

Experts who?

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-qb-rankings-reid

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-qb-rankings-crabbs

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-draft-qb-rankings-harris
Apr 3, 2021 at 3:33 PM
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
It's pretty simple and shouldn't be overthought. Just draft Justin Fields, who is the only QB who will be available and worth a top 5 pick. But let him be groomed with Jimmy G starting. Perhaps Jimmy has a career year and his draft stock increases. But Fields will have a much better chance with a year to learn everything he can. Obviously Jimmy injuries are a risk which would foce Fields to be thrown to the wolves. I still feel the Dolphins screwed Tua by starting him while Fitzmagic was playing so well for them.
Anything else is pretty much a reach which most likely will sadly end the Shanahan / Lynch era, going back to the Chip Kelly days and becoming the NFC version of the Jets or Texans.
I honestly think Fields would EASILY take the job from Jimmy before the season. He's better than Jimmy right now

Fields is definitely more talented. But Shanahan offense is difficult to learn even for veterans and there's a lot more to learn to transition from college to the NFL. Mahomes, Rodgers, Steve Young, Big Ben and others began their careers on the bench. Jimmy is the perfect bridge QB, a guy you can win any game if healthy. If dude goes down again, no more CJ or Mullens s**tshow, it's the rookie time.
Tua would hav benefited to stay his rookie season on the bench with Ryan Fitzmagic playing well that year, wasn't a good coaching move to throw him out there.

I keep hearing that and yet Beathard started games as a rookie. RG3 won rookie of the year. Jimmy came mid season and possibly played his best football in this system during that 2017 games. Tua and Fitz is not a good comparison because Tua was coming off of a major injury that could've ended his career, sitting him was more for allowing as much time as possible to come back from that injury, for that yes it was a stupid coaching move. I would be for it though, letting Jimmy play the season and letting Fields learn for the year, I just don't see it going that way if we do draft Fields

Beathard started games because Hoyer was 0 - 1,000,000. We would be in games and he'd throw a pick at the worst possible moment. When it's clear you are costing the team games, you are going to get the hook. I do think JImmy should start and would want Fields to sit. But I just prefer rookie QBs sitting. If Fields were going to a typically bad team drafting this high with no QB, he'd be the starter day 1 or at some point during year 1. Because of the difficulty of learning Shanahan's offense, this is another reason why I'd prefer he sit. Jimmy can also potentially increase his trade value. In a perfect world, he balls out and we can get a 2022 first round pick AND Fields looks the part (in practice and preseason lol).
Originally posted by fryet:
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Fields is definitely more talented. But Shanahan offense is difficult to learn even for veterans and there's a lot more to learn to transition from college to the NFL. Mahomes, Rodgers, Steve Young, Big Ben and others began their careers on the bench. Jimmy is the perfect bridge QB, a guy you can win any game if healthy. If dude goes down again, no more CJ or Mullens s**tshow, it's the rookie time.
Tua would hav benefited to stay his rookie season on the bench with Ryan Fitzmagic playing well that year, wasn't a good coaching move to throw him out there.

Steve Young did not start his career on the bench. First he played in the USFL, and then Tampa. And then he moved to the 49ers bench.

Yup. Started for an awful Tampa team which nearly ruined him.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

imagine this wild s**t lol. I'd go in a different direction at 15 and honestly I really want Fields/Lance to sit to give them the best opportunity to be prepared....but this would still be nuts.

If we did this and traded up and got Ojulari I think people would start building shrines of Lynch in their closets
If the rumors are true about us wanting a 1st for Jimmy, I'm not budging off of that. Give us a first or you get nothing. Would love if we could somehow land Ojulari as well however. Edge would be set for a few years.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

imagine this wild s**t lol. I'd go in a different direction at 15 and honestly I really want Fields/Lance to sit to give them the best opportunity to be prepared....but this would still be nuts.

I brought up the Jimmy our 2nd for 15 after we traded up. I'd want Horn though.

Forget that.

Jimmy for 15 even or they can pound sand.

NE can't go another season with Cam as the guy, he's done as a legit starter. There will not be a QB for them at 15 and there isn't another trade available. The Jets aren't going to send them a QB.

Starters with .75 records and super bowl appearances don't grow on trees. He is worth a 1st on his own and if he has another good season, more than that.
This. If people are concerned about the injury history, give him protection. But the fact is the guy wins.

Originally posted by Izyniner:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

imagine this wild s**t lol. I'd go in a different direction at 15 and honestly I really want Fields/Lance to sit to give them the best opportunity to be prepared....but this would still be nuts.

I brought up the Jimmy our 2nd for 15 after we traded up. I'd want Horn though.

Yeah I did to. I would like to see them trade Jimmy and Mcglinchy before or during the draft. There is still some excellent cbs on the market they could sign. Get Mcglinchy replacement not paying him 10 million next year unless he makes a turn pass blocking. The problem is they have to guarantee his salary in may. Might even flip a forth for Minshew. Maybe. There is some opportunities to get some draft capital and salary relief all while strengthening the team and its future.

While I am down on McGlinchey, we still need a RT. Putting him in open competition is one thing. But to trade him creates another hole. We don't have to exercise the 5th year option. We can decline and can still potentially extend or even give a one year prove it deal after next season. Now if a team wants to overpay for both players (essentially putting us in position to bring in suitable replacement talent or better) do it.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Jcool:

Yes. And for the record I don't think what Orlovsky said shows him to be racist. It shows him to be an idiot and his follow up basically confirmed it.

If you follow Fields at all(and as a football analyst Orlovsky should) then you know a few things.

His social media is all football and not used a ton.
Despite being the slam dunk #2 prospect in this class if he didn't play this year due to covid(which would've given him a good few months to prep for the NFL) he fought to play football this year.
He played hurt and balled out doing so during the playoffs when his team needed him

Now that doesn't mean Fields isn't lazy but it certainly doesn't point to a guy who doesn't love the game or doesn't care about being great.

So knowing all that Dan decides to regurgitate comments from NFL teams about Fields being lazy, not committed. Not from people close to Fields.

He then sees the outrage to his comments and it takes him a day to check with people close to Fields to hear just the opposite. Hell he even admits teams are trying to spread misinformation this time of year.

Yet your dumbass had no qualms doing their dirty business about a young kid and making him look lazy in the public eye? Especially when you know the old biases vs black QBs?
It feeds into those same old arguments. Intentional or not.

Originally posted by Costanza:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

imagine this wild s**t lol. I'd go in a different direction at 15 and honestly I really want Fields/Lance to sit to give them the best opportunity to be prepared....but this would still be nuts.

Creative idea. Personally, I'd love to try to land a 1st in 2022(or in 23 when the Niners also don't own a 1st round pick) for Jimmy...something like Jimmy and a 3rd for the Patriots 1st round pick next year would be my dream scenario.

On board with this. We could take a corner, a guard, a safety, or BPA. Assuming our picks this year work out and the current squad generally looks good.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol you're talking about long bases and propping up Jones that's rich...there was nothing slow about that play if you actually watched the game (which I'm guessing you didn't) ...it was a two step drop out route to far hash. Amazing throw IN THE POCKET under pressure...gets hit and comes back in.



11 mins in...comes back the next play and avoids pressure TD.

it's pointless to argue. they've made up their mind. lets just hope shanny and the crew are smart enough to see what is painfully obvious

It kinda sad when they made up their mind and I know they actually didn't watch him play...they read a couple quick tweets or weaknesses and assume that's all he is. I'm sure they all loved Rosen and his "heady" in the pocket play. Most "pro ready" QB in the draft. Super accurate.Same Measurables as Jones (10lbs bigger) better arm talent then Mac. Worked out great.

We watch our defense eat vs in the pocket only QBs and struggle vs guys that can do both...but yeah let's go in the other direction smh.
I personally loved when our pass rush in 2019 had to face a pocket QB. Watching O-lineman trying to keep the rushers from breaking through was like watching 5 guys standing around trying to stop a tsunami.

Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
It's not Rocket science to me. When you give up that much draft capital you draft the most talented guy. Regardless of who is a better fit for the system you run. A player can learn the system. Especially someone as gifted as Fields. You can't learn athletic ability.

AGREE... though I still think that Fields would have been better had he stay in school, but if we are going to pick between Fields - Lance and Mac... I gots to go with Fields..

Sorry I just wont roll the dice on a very young QB with great body and arm but only played less than 25 games ..

as for MAC, you almost have to have the perfect system for him to look as good as he did under Sarks..
Why should Fields stay another year? He and Lawrence are the only guys that have any real track record beyond this year as prospects.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I think Fields paired with Kyle will break the NFC, like Mahomes has done with Reid. Every team would build their roster solely to try and keep up with us.

That's why we shouldn't believe these "team sources" knocking him, there's a lot of teams who would benefit from us passing on him.

The team should do their research, but we shouldn't freak out.
Agreed. If Fields is the guy and he works out, teams are going to HATE the Dolphins for years to come lol.

Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Does anybody think Kyle will take a 40 time and use that sway his opinion? It's nice to have but I don't think it really matters to him. People keep talking about Mahomes and his athletic prowess, what I'm sure Kyle prefers is his arm strength and mental processing to make every throw from anywhere on the field.

Mahomes said he didn't learn how to read a defense until mid last season. His mental processing was far from a strength. Guy was drafted high because of his ability to make plays, a lot of which came with his big arm and athletic ability.

Mahomes should be an excellent lesson in giving a guy with terrific athletic toolset and arm talent a chance to develop vs going with an inferior talent just because they're a system fit(Cousins)

People gloss over this, but it can't be stated enough.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
Mahomes said he didn't learn how to read a defense until mid last season. His mental processing was far from a strength. Guy was drafted high because of his ability to make plays, a lot of which came with his big arm and athletic ability.

Mahomes should be an excellent lesson in giving a guy with terrific athletic toolset and arm talent a chance to develop vs going with an inferior talent just because they're a system fit(Cousins)

Mahomes had awful mechanics as well...horrible footwork coming out college. Same with Allen

Amazing what happens when you get a good coaching staff and a player with the willingness to improve. I love when Bill Belichek takes the position of "don't tell me what he can't do, tell me what he can do." If a staff can't take a player with elite traits and a good work ethic and make them better, they need to be fired. They are called COACHES for goodness sakes.
Apr 3, 2021 at 3:34 PM
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Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Most of us here clearly value Fields a lot, but most experts and analysts seem to have him as QB3 at best. Why do ya'll think there is so much of a difference of opinion between us and them?

They're experts, sure, many of them having played or coached at the NFL level, but that doesnt necessarily mean they do their homework. On the other hand, most of us here are fans and are prone to exciting plays and players, but there is so much content in this thread... advanced stats, all 22 angles and literally every snap of his career.

I personally feel most of these experts listen to each other and whatever connections they have. And with all the smoke screens that are out, it would make sense that they dont value Justin like we do.

They get paid and we don't? They have to be safe as fans we don't have to be safe and protect our jobs. So if top brass says the sky is green, and you say - i agree boss, the sky is green, you will most likely keep your job vs somebody who says, no boss the sky is blue.

The best way fans can get involved is the Kraft/Jerry Jones way. Buy a team and meddle in the front office to your hearts content.
Apr 3, 2021 at 3:37 PM
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Most of us here clearly value Fields a lot, but most experts and analysts seem to have him as QB3 at best. Why do ya'll think there is so much of a difference of opinion between us and them?

They're experts, sure, many of them having played or coached at the NFL level, but that doesnt necessarily mean they do their homework. On the other hand, most of us here are fans and are prone to exciting plays and players, but there is so much content in this thread... advanced stats, all 22 angles and literally every snap of his career.

I personally feel most of these experts listen to each other and whatever connections they have. And with all the smoke screens that are out, it would make sense that they dont value Justin like we do.

What do you mean by qb3?
Apr 3, 2021 at 3:37 PM
Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Most of us here clearly value Fields a lot, but most experts and analysts seem to have him as QB3 at best. Why do ya'll think there is so much of a difference of opinion between us and them?

They're experts, sure, many of them having played or coached at the NFL level, but that doesnt necessarily mean they do their homework. On the other hand, most of us here are fans and are prone to exciting plays and players, but there is so much content in this thread... advanced stats, all 22 angles and literally every snap of his career.

I personally feel most of these experts listen to each other and whatever connections they have. And with all the smoke screens that are out, it would make sense that they dont value Justin like we do.

They either know something from behind the scenes that we don't, or they are hung up on things that don't matter
Apr 3, 2021 at 3:57 PM
Big thing for me about Fields is that if he couldn't run at all, he'd still be a top 5 pick with his arm strength and accuracy.
Apr 3, 2021 at 4:10 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
No I don't...I think Tua has all the same skill sets that Jones has as far as reading coverages pre/post. He was very accurate at Bama. He had great field vision all the same...Tua actually has a better arm and can move.

I don't care about stats in college all that much...it's about traits.

Starting to feel like you are out to lunch on evaluating college QB's. You've chosen "your guy" way to early.
Only time will tell.
Apr 3, 2021 at 4:39 PM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We're taking Fields. No one can convince me otherwise

I sure hope your right. I believe it's a no brainer. Unfortunately, I posted the same thing about Watson in the Watson draft thread.
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