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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by njninersfan420:
Just placed my wager on fields to be the 3rd overall pick at +250. Feel like that line is gonna start to drop soon.
MGM still has him at +275
Guess he used the wrong service.
Originally posted by eman:
Alex smith had 9 3/8 inch hands and he was being blames for having tiny hands and causing his fumblitis!
Justin fields barely has over 9 inch hands while Mac Jones has 10 inch.
does that concern anyone ?
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
While I am not a fan of the trade by any means what's done is done. My ranking is as follows for the possible qbs available to the 49ers.
1. Fields
2. Jones
3. Lance
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
While I am not a fan of the trade by any means what's done is done. My ranking is as follows for the possible qbs available to the 49ers.
1. Fields
2. Jones
3. Lance
Originally posted by eman:
Alex smith had 9 3/8 inch hands and he was being blames for having tiny hands and causing his fumblitis!
Justin fields barely has over 9 inch hands while Mac Jones has 10 inch.
does that concern anyone ?
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Hello, Zone! Been forever.
Had a few minutes to drop in and say hi! Hope all of you are well.
I think the Niners are all-in on Fields. I would be shocked if he is not the selection at 3. Once the Jets seem to lock into Wilson (wouldn't be surprised if Saleh directly related that info to Kyle), the Niners made that move to number 3, and that wouldn't make sense for them to make the selection with Jones. It is such of a massive move for a guy with limited upside. Spectacular moves like this usually point to special talents with gigantic ceilings. My guess is that Kyle has been watching Fields for years waiting for the shot to grab him.
I have been been watching QBs, and this is my ranking:
1. Lawrence- The safest, cleanest prospect. Does NOT have have the highest potential ceiling, but he is good at everything.
2. Fields- There are some things to clean up, but he is a terrific talent with unlimited potential.
3. Wilson- He is spectacular when the pocket is clean. He has special talent. But, he faced so little pressure this year (almost anyone could have posted remarkable numbers with the pass protection we saw at BYU this year) that he is an incomplete prospect to me. The times he faced pressure, he struggled. The guys ranked above him on my board have faced pressure before, and we know what they can do. Wilson is a tremendous talent. I just don't know how he will fare when he has consistent NFL pressure in his face.
4. Lance- Raw as sushi. He needs so much work to do to become an NFL QB. At times, it was painful to watch him. He is so crazy athletic, and moves so well. He is going to run for a million yards. But, his throwing motion needs a ton of work. In fact, it needs a complete overhaul. Accuracy a major issue. I hear he is super intelligent and a hard-worker, but this guy is not going to start a game for 2 years. I'd be shocked if he is the pick at 3. Thinking he might be the pick at 4, where he can be stashed for 2 years under Ryan.
5. Jones- Alabama's play-calling and scheme simply overwhelmed college defenses, and having 6 or more NFL first and second day picks on offense this year made life very easy for him. I just don't see the enormous potential of the first four guys. I think his athleticism is a bit too criticized. He is NOT a statue as some suggest. But, just limited in arm strength, and dynamic play compared to the top four guys limit his ability to be a superstar player in the NFL.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by eman:
Alex smith had 9 3/8 inch hands and he was being blames for having tiny hands and causing his fumblitis!
Justin fields barely has over 9 inch hands while Mac Jones has 10 inch.
does that concern anyone ?
Joe burrow was 9 inches on the dot. It doesn't matter
Ps
I'm talking about dong size btw
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
While I am not a fan of the trade by any means what's done is done. My ranking is as follows for the possible qbs available to the 49ers.
1. Fields
2. Jones
3. Lance
Thats it. Draft Lance!
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Hello, Zone! Been forever.
Had a few minutes to drop in and say hi! Hope all of you are well.
I think the Niners are all-in on Fields. I would be shocked if he is not the selection at 3. Once the Jets seem to lock into Wilson (wouldn't be surprised if Saleh directly related that info to Kyle), the Niners made that move to number 3, and that wouldn't make sense for them to make the selection with Jones. It is such of a massive move for a guy with limited upside. Spectacular moves like this usually point to special talents with gigantic ceilings. My guess is that Kyle has been watching Fields for years waiting for the shot to grab him.
I have been been watching QBs, and this is my ranking:
1. Lawrence- The safest, cleanest prospect. Does NOT have have the highest potential ceiling, but he is good at everything.
2. Fields- There are some things to clean up, but he is a terrific talent with unlimited potential.
3. Wilson- He is spectacular when the pocket is clean. He has special talent. But, he faced so little pressure this year (almost anyone could have posted remarkable numbers with the pass protection we saw at BYU this year) that he is an incomplete prospect to me. The times he faced pressure, he struggled. The guys ranked above him on my board have faced pressure before, and we know what they can do. Wilson is a tremendous talent. I just don't know how he will fare when he has consistent NFL pressure in his face.
4. Lance- Raw as sushi. He needs so much work to do to become an NFL QB. At times, it was painful to watch him. He is so crazy athletic, and moves so well. He is going to run for a million yards. But, his throwing motion needs a ton of work. In fact, it needs a complete overhaul. Accuracy a major issue. I hear he is super intelligent and a hard-worker, but this guy is not going to start a game for 2 years. I'd be shocked if he is the pick at 3. Thinking he might be the pick at 4, where he can be stashed for 2 years under Ryan.
5. Jones- Alabama's play-calling and scheme simply overwhelmed college defenses, and having 6 or more NFL first and second day picks on offense this year made life very easy for him. I just don't see the enormous potential of the first four guys. I think his athleticism is a bit too criticized. He is NOT a statue as some suggest. But, just limited in arm strength, and dynamic play compared to the top four guys limit his ability to be a superstar player in the NFL.
And he has spoken
Couldn't have said it better myself. I think top 5 is way too high for such a boom or bust risk like Lance. Jones has one of the higher floors among the top quarterbacks in this class, but isn't perceived as having high upside. I'm not totally convinced he can't be great but I can definitely concede there is no hard evidence he can be the guy who can bring his guys back down by a bunch.
I think it comes down to Jones versus Fields.
If you've got a winner like Jimmy already on the roster, it makes the most sense to shoot for the moon in terms of potential. Fields has the superior physical traits both in arm talent and running with the ball, but I still question how his accuracy under pressure in the NFL will be, based on some of the struggles I witnessed at the college level. None of the guys in this class seemed to deliver as accurate as Jones while taking a shot on the chin. He processes so incredibly well, but he kind of has to since he lacks the level of escapability of Fields. On top of that, people like to talk about Mac Jones' supporting cast, but Fields didn't play with total scrubs -- playing behind future NFL players Wyatt Davis and Josh Myers, along with a strong runner in Trey Sermon. Mac seems like the better pocket passer, but Fields can throw better on the run.
Ultimately, you have to ask yourself, if both are similarly graded, then who gives the offense the most potential and upside? Both players have experience under center and with play action, both throw a great deep ball and can make all the throws at every area of the field, but which one could better capture the Shanahan offensive goal of making the opponent "defend every blade of grass" on the field?
I think the answer has to be Fields. I really like Mac, and I definitely think he will at least be a solid pro, but a dazzling playmaker? That's highly questionable, as he will have to overcome his limited athleticism in an increasingly speed-focused league.
If Fields can reach his comparison to a Watson or Russell Wilson and Jones can reach his comparison to Matt Ryan, you obviously gotta take the former.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Viperboy:
Not sure how to post links
some guy at CBS sports mocked
2) Fields Jets
3) Wilson 49ers
19 Jones Washigton
No way Jets pass on Wilson.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Hello, Zone! Been forever.
Had a few minutes to drop in and say hi! Hope all of you are well.
I think the Niners are all-in on Fields. I would be shocked if he is not the selection at 3. Once the Jets seem to lock into Wilson (wouldn't be surprised if Saleh directly related that info to Kyle), the Niners made that move to number 3, and that wouldn't make sense for them to make the selection with Jones. It is such of a massive move for a guy with limited upside. Spectacular moves like this usually point to special talents with gigantic ceilings. My guess is that Kyle has been watching Fields for years waiting for the shot to grab him.
I have been been watching QBs, and this is my ranking:
1. Lawrence- The safest, cleanest prospect. Does NOT have have the highest potential ceiling, but he is good at everything.
2. Fields- There are some things to clean up, but he is a terrific talent with unlimited potential.
3. Wilson- He is spectacular when the pocket is clean. He has special talent. But, he faced so little pressure this year (almost anyone could have posted remarkable numbers with the pass protection we saw at BYU this year) that he is an incomplete prospect to me. The times he faced pressure, he struggled. The guys ranked above him on my board have faced pressure before, and we know what they can do. Wilson is a tremendous talent. I just don't know how he will fare when he has consistent NFL pressure in his face.
4. Lance- Raw as sushi. He needs so much work to do to become an NFL QB. At times, it was painful to watch him. He is so crazy athletic, and moves so well. He is going to run for a million yards. But, his throwing motion needs a ton of work. In fact, it needs a complete overhaul. Accuracy a major issue. I hear he is super intelligent and a hard-worker, but this guy is not going to start a game for 2 years. I'd be shocked if he is the pick at 3. Thinking he might be the pick at 4, where he can be stashed for 2 years under Ryan.
5. Jones- Alabama's play-calling and scheme simply overwhelmed college defenses, and having 6 or more NFL first and second day picks on offense this year made life very easy for him. I just don't see the enormous potential of the first four guys. I think his athleticism is a bit too criticized. He is NOT a statue as some suggest. But, just limited in arm strength, and dynamic play compared to the top four guys limit his ability to be a superstar player in the NFL.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Hello, Zone! Been forever.
Had a few minutes to drop in and say hi! Hope all of you are well.
I think the Niners are all-in on Fields. I would be shocked if he is not the selection at 3. Once the Jets seem to lock into Wilson (wouldn't be surprised if Saleh directly related that info to Kyle), the Niners made that move to number 3, and that wouldn't make sense for them to make the selection with Jones. It is such of a massive move for a guy with limited upside. Spectacular moves like this usually point to special talents with gigantic ceilings. My guess is that Kyle has been watching Fields for years waiting for the shot to grab him.
I have been been watching QBs, and this is my ranking:
1. Lawrence- The safest, cleanest prospect. Does NOT have have the highest potential ceiling, but he is good at everything.
2. Fields- There are some things to clean up, but he is a terrific talent with unlimited potential.
3. Wilson- He is spectacular when the pocket is clean. He has special talent. But, he faced so little pressure this year (almost anyone could have posted remarkable numbers with the pass protection we saw at BYU this year) that he is an incomplete prospect to me. The times he faced pressure, he struggled. The guys ranked above him on my board have faced pressure before, and we know what they can do. Wilson is a tremendous talent. I just don't know how he will fare when he has consistent NFL pressure in his face.
4. Lance- Raw as sushi. He needs so much work to do to become an NFL QB. At times, it was painful to watch him. He is so crazy athletic, and moves so well. He is going to run for a million yards. But, his throwing motion needs a ton of work. In fact, it needs a complete overhaul. Accuracy a major issue. I hear he is super intelligent and a hard-worker, but this guy is not going to start a game for 2 years. I'd be shocked if he is the pick at 3. Thinking he might be the pick at 4, where he can be stashed for 2 years under Ryan.
5. Jones- Alabama's play-calling and scheme simply overwhelmed college defenses, and having 6 or more NFL first and second day picks on offense this year made life very easy for him. I just don't see the enormous potential of the first four guys. I think his athleticism is a bit too criticized. He is NOT a statue as some suggest. But, just limited in arm strength, and dynamic play compared to the top four guys limit his ability to be a superstar player in the NFL.
Originally posted by boomer49er:I think you go with wilson although it would be tough to pass on fields. It's a good problem to have. I still think shanahan drafts jones.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
While I am not a fan of the trade by any means what's done is done. My ranking is as follows for the possible qbs available to the 49ers.
1. Fields
2. Jones
3. Lance
Might as well rank Wilson in there because I think the chances of him being there are better than most admit. There's plenty of opportunity for the Jets to draft somebody else.
That Darnold trade is interesting to me because I don't understand why they do it now. He wasn't going to be expensive and if your going to draft Wilson then why not just hold on to Darnold for another year and let the rookie sit? I'd have a nice hearty laugh if after all this talk the Jets drank the kool-aid and drafted Mac Jones, and thinking he could start right away went ahead and traded Darnold.
So, what do you do it we are at number three, Wilson and Fields are on the board, and Mac is a Jet? That, to me, would be the toughest choice out of any scenario.
