Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by tommyncal:
"The Miami Dolphins played a centerpiece in what is essentially a three-team trade for draft assets. Miami moved down from third overall to 12th overall in the 2021 NFL Draft in a deal with the San Francisco 49ers (for about 30 minutes) before moving back up from 12th to 6th in a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles." USA Today

I'm assuming the 49ers wanted the #3 and the Dolphins said ok , but get us a pick in the top 6. I, again, think the destination was #3, only acquire #5 or #6 to give the Dolphins what they wanted and was already discussed with them.

The bolded makes a lot of sense as to why SF was poking around trying to get the #5 pick. It's not that their targeted QB would be at #5, it's that they were helping MIA move out of #3, but stay in the top 10.

Agree. If the 49ers wanted a good QB, they could have stayed at #12 and gotten a first round QB, but not the kind of athlete with the playing history of the top 3 picks. I always maintained that a *big part* of the reason they paid such a high price was to buy time to investigate the top QB that they could get at the highest pick that they could get.

They already knew that next years QB crop was dismal (so the articles I've read said that). So giving up this years #12 and next years first round was a no brainer, I think the big struggle was that 3rd first rounder that that they ultimately had to give (I believe) in 2023. I think that cemented the month long deep dive investigation process for all five (Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Mac, Lance) that is underway now. Now they have the luxury of investigating without having to worry about somebody jumping ahead of them. In my mind, I think that's worth a very high round pick, just to get that time to spend with all the top three QB's on the board. I think the Pettis, Solomon, Rueben and Hurd picks have taught them to really investigate and medical history the intangibles of these high round picks, and to do that, you need time.

I vacillate from optimism to pessimism on this. The optimism is that this draft has a lot of QB talent. The pessimism is that the prognostications are so often wrong on QBs that there's probably a 4/10 chance whoever we take will be the guy we want and we gave a HELL of a lot to move up nine spots. I can truthfully see the allure of Mac Jones if he is viewed as polished and more of a sure thing to keep the team competitive, slight Jimmy upgrade, at a cheaper price. And I can see the Fields fans view of swinging for the grand slam and finding the perfect QB who can both pass and run. It will be interesting to revisit in five years where they all ended up. Hope we nail it.

Originally posted by 91til:
I know I'm a nerd for this, but Lance passed on Brown and Cornell for NDSU 😭

Yeah, no kidding. I have a kid applying to colleges next year. I probably would have pushed him to Cornell and said let the football gods find you if you're good enough. Worked for Juszczyk.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 91til:
I know I'm a nerd for this, but Lance passed on Brown and Cornell for NDSU 😭

I might be wrong, but a few schools wanted him to change position. None of them got very far.

I read the same. A handful of Power 5 schools recruited Lance but wanted him to play safety.

Originally posted by BSofSF:
That is good to know. I don't think regular IQ necessarily correlates to football IQ, but it makes it easier to root for a guy who works hard and is well spoken. Alex Smith was pretty damn smart and likable too, but actually pretty slow in the football IQ category. My best guess is that it's a combination of great vision and enough intelligence to anticipate what defenses are going to try to do. I think Shanahan will make successes out of any of these dudes. They all seem to be pretty solid guys who will get a lot of support from a good team.

Very true, being intelligent isn't necessarily going to help you in the heat of battle where you're relying mostly on instinct and muscle memory. But the fact is, fans/media have made Mac Jones into an archetype. He is the "smart qb" who is going to beat you in the film room with his brain, and what he lacks in raw talent he makes up for in intelligence. It creates a false dichotomy where we're choosing between the "smart guy" and the "athletic guy." The fact is, Fields is probably a lot smarter than Jones (and I would argue that is apparent when they give interviews). I just hope at some point he gets some more recognition for this at some point in his career.

Originally posted by 91til:
I know I'm a nerd for this, but Lance passed on Brown and Cornell for NDSU 😭

I mean I understand where you're coming from but if your goal is football NDSU would blow either of them out and has far and away a better program.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Apparently only SF and NE will be present at his second pro day.......

Belichik working the Jimmy G angle again.

Only those two teams?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10001279-justin-fields-rumors-49ers-patriots-the-only-known-teams-attending-2nd-pro-day

That is very surprising

Only 2 teams that were crazy enough to choose the Mac Jones pro day over Fields' 1st one.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
yeah, but if you seriously considering drafting him/trading up for him - you want to see as much as you can.

Or you don't want people to know you like a prospect that much, same as when Kyle wouldn't go to the pro days prior to the move up....not every team has the 3rd overall pick.

This is essentially a private work out for the 49ers.

Nah, Adam Schefter said the smokescreen is nonsense. Absolutely no need for one at 3. Same with 1 and 2.

The only reason to smokescreen at this point that I can think of are.

1. They have Fields/Lance rated way higher that Wilson and don't want the Jets to change their mind.

2. The Jets haven't done their physical on Wilson's shoulders yet, so it isn't a 100% done deal.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Apparently only SF and NE will be present at his second pro day.......

Belichik working the Jimmy G angle again.

Only those two teams?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10001279-justin-fields-rumors-49ers-patriots-the-only-known-teams-attending-2nd-pro-day

That is very surprising

Only 2 teams that were crazy enough to choose the Mac Jones pro day over Fields' 1st one.

Can't be a coincidence. Something going on between those 2 teams.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
The only reason to smokescreen at this point that I can think of are.

1. They have Fields/Lance rated way higher that Wilson and don't want the Jets to change their mind.

2. The Jets haven't done their physical on Wilson's shoulders yet, so it isn't a 100% done deal.

What reason would they have for revealing their pick? In poker, if your opponent folds, you don't then show everyone your hand.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/bengals-talks-49ers-trading-down-prior-to-deal-with-miami-dolphins

Bengals are drafting 5th. If this is was the 49ers original targeted draft position to trade up to, it could only mean Jones or possibly Lance to begin with. But that could all change now they were able to trade to 3.

This is my hope. That after all the flirting with Stafford and Watson fell through, that they came to the conclusion that they were gonna draft Mac at 12. Then they realized that they would have to trade up to get him, and then they realized, if we have trade that far up, we might as well trade to 3 and draft Justin F###ing Fields.

At least that's what I am desperately hoping is the case.

i hope the jets dont take fields i think hes the number 1 qb in the draft and we would be lucky if they took wilson at 2 qnd not fields

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Apparently only SF and NE will be present at his second pro day.......

Belichik working the Jimmy G angle again.

Only those two teams?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10001279-justin-fields-rumors-49ers-patriots-the-only-known-teams-attending-2nd-pro-day

That is very surprising

Only 2 teams that were crazy enough to choose the Mac Jones pro day over Fields' 1st one.

Can't be a coincidence. Something going on between those 2 teams.

Only two teams smart enough to ask them to hold another so they can see everyone

Originally posted by jackburton1:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
The only reason to smokescreen at this point that I can think of are.

1. They have Fields/Lance rated way higher that Wilson and don't want the Jets to change their mind.

2. The Jets haven't done their physical on Wilson's shoulders yet, so it isn't a 100% done deal.

What reason would they have for revealing their pick? In poker, if your opponent folds, you don't then show everyone your hand.

You never know you could influence someone to make a trade and cost themselves picks that they didn't need to spend. Clearly the Eagles think they know what we are doing...but what if they are wrong?

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Great opportunity for both Fields and the Niners this week...only them & the Pats attending. As I've been saying all along, I think it'll be either Fields or Lance at #3. With either player, the chance to raise Coach's offense to a new level will just be too much to pass up. Justin's got more experience at a high level...but, Lance has an upside that's pretty rare at the QB position. I'll be happy with either one of them. Good luck to both men.

This is said a lot and it's a real head scratcher. What can't Fields do that Lance can right now. or what will Lance eventually do that Fields isn't already doing or will also do? Fields arm is just as good as Lance and Fields is already a little better athlete right now. That isn't changing. I think Lance is an intriguing prospect, but at pick 3 after trading up all that draft capitol is really reaching for something that might not be there. Draft Justin Fields and get now and and the future.

Originally posted by jackburton1:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
The only reason to smokescreen at this point that I can think of are.

1. They have Fields/Lance rated way higher that Wilson and don't want the Jets to change their mind.

2. The Jets haven't done their physical on Wilson's shoulders yet, so it isn't a 100% done deal.

What reason would they have for revealing their pick? In poker, if your opponent folds, you don't then show everyone your hand.

I agree. I am just trying to rationalize all this Mac Jones stuff. Shoot, Cleveland didn't even reveal their Mayfield over Allen pick until draft day.