Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Dude, respectfully, I can see no truth to the idea that Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes in college, or even ahead of him, period. Mahomes had a better arm, better off platform throws, had better vision, and better improvisation, at least by my eyes.

Fields is a top 5 guy in any draft, but Mahomes should have been first overall — based on his college tape.

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:


"Excuse me, sir, while I throw this fifty yard dime off my back foot under pressure."

And it's not like that's a rare occurrence. Dude was making miracles on a regular basis. I have never seen a college prospect even close to him. He had one real flaw to me, and that was his recklessness. I didn't see his mechanics as a flaw, because they allowed him to perform the miracles that he routinely does. He just had to be taught when to do them and when to fight another play. Just like Brett Favre, who is the QB that he most closely resemble, IMHO.

Not trying to knock Fields, but I think you're expectations are a bit high. If we take him, I think there's a 80-90% chance he's gonna be a star. But being Mahomes? Feels like a 10% chance to me.

Mahomes was so special. Dude had the craziest throws I've ever seen. I remember posting some of his throws in practice where he was no-look passing before people even knew that was his thing. My comp for him was Brett Favre as well.

Fields ain't Mahomes. Not even close. It doesn't mean he can't be great, but he's not Mahomes.

Nobody else I've seen matches Mahomes ability to consistently throw from any platform without sacrificing accuracy or power. No QB in this class (or any other class) can come close to matching that, but it's unrealistic to expect that. That said, Fields is pretty special and capable of becoming a consistently elite QB in the league.

As one of the few that was HUGE on Mahomes in his draft thread, quoted as stating "Mahomes is the only superstar QB in this draft", there were VERY few people pounding the table for him to be the pick @3 and almost universally patting each other on the back for the Thomas pick. I'd assume a Favre comp would have resulted in said pounding. The revisionist history on this forum is amazing.

I don't know what was said here at the time, but I think there were very real reasons to question whether Mahomes could develop into a solid pro. Obviously, it would have been nice if Shanahan had evaluated Mahomes thoroughly and saw enough there to take a chance. There is a question of whether or not Mahomes would have succeeded here. He would not have been able to sit like he did in KC and we didn't have the talent that they had either. Shanahan is also not as good of a coach as Reid is.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Dude, respectfully, I can see no truth to the idea that Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes in college, or even ahead of him, period. Mahomes had a better arm, better off platform throws, had better vision, and better improvisation, at least by my eyes.

Fields is a top 5 guy in any draft, but Mahomes should have been first overall — based on his college tape.

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:


"Excuse me, sir, while I throw this fifty yard dime off my back foot under pressure."

And it's not like that's a rare occurrence. Dude was making miracles on a regular basis. I have never seen a college prospect even close to him. He had one real flaw to me, and that was his recklessness. I didn't see his mechanics as a flaw, because they allowed him to perform the miracles that he routinely does. He just had to be taught when to do them and when to fight another play. Just like Brett Favre, who is the QB that he most closely resemble, IMHO.

Not trying to knock Fields, but I think you're expectations are a bit high. If we take him, I think there's a 80-90% chance he's gonna be a star. But being Mahomes? Feels like a 10% chance to me.

Mahomes was so special. Dude had the craziest throws I've ever seen. I remember posting some of his throws in practice where he was no-look passing before people even knew that was his thing. My comp for him was Brett Favre as well.

Fields ain't Mahomes. Not even close. It doesn't mean he can't be great, but he's not Mahomes.

Nobody else I've seen matches Mahomes ability to consistently throw from any platform without sacrificing accuracy or power. No QB in this class (or any other class) can come close to matching that, but it's unrealistic to expect that. That said, Fields is pretty special and capable of becoming a consistently elite QB in the league.

As one of the few that was HUGE on Mahomes in his draft thread, quoted as stating "Mahomes is the only superstar QB in this draft", there were VERY few people pounding the table for him to be the pick @3 and almost universally patting each other on the back for the Thomas pick. I'd assume a Favre comp would have resulted in said pounding. The revisionist history on this forum is amazing.

I don't know what was said here at the time, but I think there were very real reasons to question whether Mahomes could develop into a solid pro. Obviously, it would have been nice if Shanahan had evaluated Mahomes thoroughly and saw enough there to take a chance. There is a question of whether or not Mahomes would have succeeded here. He would not have been able to sit like he did in KC and we didn't have the talent that they had either. Shanahan is also not as good of a coach as Reid is.

Why wouldn't he have been able to sit? We had already signed Hoyer and he was signed to help teach the Shanahan offense. Hell even when Jimmy came on board, who was a veteran, Shanny still sat him for several weeks while he learned the offense.

We will have to agree to disagree on that last point. Andy Reid is overrated imo, a good coach but not what he's hyped to be.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:

The Fields hype has gone too far if his arm is better than mahomes and if hes considered a generational talent

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Dude, respectfully, I can see no truth to the idea that Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes in college, or even ahead of him, period. Mahomes had a better arm, better off platform throws, had better vision, and better improvisation, at least by my eyes.

Fields is a top 5 guy in any draft, but Mahomes should have been first overall — based on his college tape.

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:


"Excuse me, sir, while I throw this fifty yard dime off my back foot under pressure."

And it's not like that's a rare occurrence. Dude was making miracles on a regular basis. I have never seen a college prospect even close to him. He had one real flaw to me, and that was his recklessness. I didn't see his mechanics as a flaw, because they allowed him to perform the miracles that he routinely does. He just had to be taught when to do them and when to fight another play. Just like Brett Favre, who is the QB that he most closely resemble, IMHO.

Not trying to knock Fields, but I think you're expectations are a bit high. If we take him, I think there's a 80-90% chance he's gonna be a star. But being Mahomes? Feels like a 10% chance to me.

Mahomes was so special. Dude had the craziest throws I've ever seen. I remember posting some of his throws in practice where he was no-look passing before people even knew that was his thing. My comp for him was Brett Favre as well.

Fields ain't Mahomes. Not even close. It doesn't mean he can't be great, but he's not Mahomes.

Nobody else I've seen matches Mahomes ability to consistently throw from any platform without sacrificing accuracy or power. No QB in this class (or any other class) can come close to matching that, but it's unrealistic to expect that. That said, Fields is pretty special and capable of becoming a consistently elite QB in the league.

As one of the few that was HUGE on Mahomes in his draft thread, quoted as stating "Mahomes is the only superstar QB in this draft", there were VERY few people pounding the table for him to be the pick @3 and almost universally patting each other on the back for the Thomas pick. I'd assume a Favre comp would have resulted in said pounding. The revisionist history on this forum is amazing.

I don't know what was said here at the time, but I think there were very real reasons to question whether Mahomes could develop into a solid pro. Obviously, it would have been nice if Shanahan had evaluated Mahomes thoroughly and saw enough there to take a chance. There is a question of whether or not Mahomes would have succeeded here. He would not have been able to sit like he did in KC and we didn't have the talent that they had either. Shanahan is also not as good of a coach as Reid is.

Why wouldn't he have been able to sit? We had already signed Hoyer and he was signed to help teach the Shanahan offense. Hell even when Jimmy came on board, who was a veteran, Shanny still sat him for several weeks while he learned the offense.

We will have to agree to disagree on that last point. Andy Reid is overrated imo, a good coach but not what he's hyped to be.

I have a hard time seeing us sitting Mahomes for long behind Hoyer when Hoyer was playing so poorly. I mean, we eventually benched him for a rookie in Beathard.

As for the last point, I guess it's debatable, but it's worth noting that Reid and Shanahan have the same number of losing seasons as a HC despite Reid coaching for 18 more seasons. Reid has taken over two teams that were in a similar state to the 2017 49ers as well and turned both around quickly and has developed multiple QBs. To me, he's the better coach. Maybe Shanahan develops and surpasses him one day, but we'll see.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:

Good accuracy but both thosethows came in late and behind

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Dude, respectfully, I can see no truth to the idea that Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes in college, or even ahead of him, period. Mahomes had a better arm, better off platform throws, had better vision, and better improvisation, at least by my eyes.

Fields is a top 5 guy in any draft, but Mahomes should have been first overall — based on his college tape.

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:


"Excuse me, sir, while I throw this fifty yard dime off my back foot under pressure."

And it's not like that's a rare occurrence. Dude was making miracles on a regular basis. I have never seen a college prospect even close to him. He had one real flaw to me, and that was his recklessness. I didn't see his mechanics as a flaw, because they allowed him to perform the miracles that he routinely does. He just had to be taught when to do them and when to fight another play. Just like Brett Favre, who is the QB that he most closely resemble, IMHO.

Not trying to knock Fields, but I think you're expectations are a bit high. If we take him, I think there's a 80-90% chance he's gonna be a star. But being Mahomes? Feels like a 10% chance to me.

Mahomes was so special. Dude had the craziest throws I've ever seen. I remember posting some of his throws in practice where he was no-look passing before people even knew that was his thing. My comp for him was Brett Favre as well.

Fields ain't Mahomes. Not even close. It doesn't mean he can't be great, but he's not Mahomes.

Nobody else I've seen matches Mahomes ability to consistently throw from any platform without sacrificing accuracy or power. No QB in this class (or any other class) can come close to matching that, but it's unrealistic to expect that. That said, Fields is pretty special and capable of becoming a consistently elite QB in the league.

As one of the few that was HUGE on Mahomes in his draft thread, quoted as stating "Mahomes is the only superstar QB in this draft", there were VERY few people pounding the table for him to be the pick @3 and almost universally patting each other on the back for the Thomas pick. I'd assume a Favre comp would have resulted in said pounding. The revisionist history on this forum.....

I wasn't active here then, but on the old official 49ers board, and I made the Favre comp and said MVP by season 3. Of course I was off by a year. What I envisioned was a year on the bench, a year starting a bit rough followed by playing lights out in a divisional playoff loss (similar to Aaron Rodgers the year before he won it all), and then an MVP and SB win.

So lots saw Favre. That's exactly what Reid said as well iirc. I mean the guy literally plays like Favre did. Hard not to see it IMHO.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by mayo49:
If Lance has a good second pro day, I'm might be jumping on the Trey bandwagon.

I'll be very excited with Fields. But, if Shanahan picks Lance - I'm gonna be beyond excited. Shanahan + Lance will wreck this league - in a similar way Reid and Mahomes have and will continue to do so.

What similarities do you see in Lance and Mahomes that lead you to that conclusion?

I would say Lance's college career is closer to Lamar Jackson's than it is to Mahomes. Lance looks like a better passer, but Lamar threw for more yards and more TDs against better competition on 2 different seasons, that Lance did in his 1.

I think he means that Lance will have a positive effect on the offense like Mahomes had with KC. A pocket passer with elite passing skills that can also throw outside the pocket and scramble when needed.

I disagree that Lance has proven he is a pocket passer and has elite passing skills.

Originally posted by ritz126:
The Fields hype has gone too far if his arm is better than mahomes and if hes considered a generational talent

24/7 Sports ranked him as the 8th all time high school recruit since 2000. In college he was Heisman Trophy finalist and now a top 10 NFL pick. Ran a 4.4 40 (stumbling) at his pro day. Is 6'2", 227lbs. But yeah he is not generational.... FYI generation talent doesn't = HOF NFL player. Jadeveon Clowney was a generational player and has just been a good pro.

Those throws aren't even remotely comparable. Fields hitches and steps into his throw. Mahomes throws a bomb off his backfoot. That's one reason why Mahomes was an unorthodox evaluation. He did so many things "wrong" by conventional standards but everything worked in spite of it.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:

Fields was set and had a clear pocket. Perhaps you forgot to put on your boomer glasses, but the Mahomes gif has him throwing fifty yards off his back foot under pressure that hit him just after release, not from three yards away from the nearest defender with his feet set.

EDIT - I realize this tone comes off as assholish but I'm not laughing at you I'm laughing with you.

Originally posted by WINiner:
As one of the few that was HUGE on Mahomes in his draft thread, quoted as stating "Mahomes is the only superstar QB in this draft", there were VERY few people pounding the table for him to be the pick @3 and almost universally patting each other on the back for the Thomas pick. I'd assume a Favre comp would have resulted in said pounding. The revisionist history on this forum.....

I for one watched Mahomes tape and fell in love but literally dismissed him as a candidate because he didn't fit Kyle's type. And instead was on the Peterman hype train.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by WINiner:
As one of the few that was HUGE on Mahomes in his draft thread, quoted as stating "Mahomes is the only superstar QB in this draft", there were VERY few people pounding the table for him to be the pick @3 and almost universally patting each other on the back for the Thomas pick. I'd assume a Favre comp would have resulted in said pounding. The revisionist history on this forum.....

I for one watched Mahomes tape and fell in love but literally dismissed him as a candidate because he didn't fit Kyle's type. And instead was on the Peterman hype train.

I can't think of a bigger condemnation of Kyle's love for a certain type of QB than that.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ritz126:
The Fields hype has gone too far if his arm is better than mahomes and if hes considered a generational talent

24/7 Sports ranked him as the 8th all time high school recruit since 2000. In college he was Heisman Trophy finalist and now a top 10 NFL pick. Ran a 4.4 40 (stumbling) at his pro day. Is 6'2", 227lbs. But yeah he is not generational.... FYI generation talent doesn't = HOF NFL player. Jadeveon Clowney was a generational player and has just been a good pro.

This class is certainly "generational." Lawrence can do a lot of what Fields can do, and Wilson can do some of what Mahomes can do.

But none of these guys are on the same level as the beat guy from 2017.

Originally posted by ritz126:
The Fields hype has gone too far if his arm is better than mahomes and if hes considered a generational talent

Generational talent is a dumb term...Mahomes coming out of college wasn't labeled that. Just had somecrazy traits (with other questionable traits as well)

fields since HS has been regarded as one of the best prospects to come out in a very very long time.

it's what they become in the NFL that matters.