Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Mahomes was a surprise at 10 overall. Some people may have had him as the #1 QB in that class but it's revisionist history that he was some one of a kind prospect.

There was plenty of talk of him going outside the first round much of the way until the draft. His arm talent was easily special but people had concerns about his transition from that offense.

Obviohsly now the questions about him seem silly. But had he gone to a less talented team where he had to play right away do we get the same guy we see now?

Fields as a prospect is better than Mahomes. But JaMarcus Russell was a MUCH better prospect than Tom Brady and we know how their careers went.

Fields will have to do his part to make sure his career is similar to Mahomes and it's not an easy task. If he comes here he would have a good chance to get close to it.

Genus, only rarely do i disagree with you. But if you could get ahold of some of his High school tapes, you would think differently. The kid was a phenom and anybody that saw him play knew it. Friends and family in Texas convinced me long before draft. I just put it off as , "Oh, it's high school". But some of the things we have seen last couple yrs were there way back then.

True, i didn't know if they would translate into NFL , but sure enough they did. And going to Andy Reid? He couldn't have asked for a better situation, and sitting down his first yr? Brilliant. There were lots of NFL flaws that had to be worked out ...but the talent...was there all the time.

Don't get me wrong. I wasn't implying Mahomes was a bad prospect but his ranking was definitely not on the level of Fields. Arm talent, nobody questioned.

The biggest issue was the offense he ran. Obviously he's a perfect example of talent should trump any concerns about what offense they ran or whether they have perfect NFL mechanics.

Our own HC was one who valued NFL offense and traditional tools and it didn't turn out well for us. Hopefully it's a lesson learned and we bring in Fields.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:

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Fields was set and had a clear pocket. Perhaps you forgot to put on your boomer glasses, but the Mahomes gif has him throwing fifty yards off his back foot under pressure that hit him just after release, not from three yards away from the nearest defender with his feet set.

No reason to embellish things. If you want to be a Mahomes homer go be a KC fan. Its not hard.

Embellish? It's about observable reality. I'm a fan of MY EYES, which is why I argue these things.

Let me guess: you think Jimmy and Stafford are interchangeable as well, right? Who was the one saying Watson and Jimmy are about the same? Was that you?

Still talking about Stafford? He's not nearly as good as you try to make him.

Originally posted by Heroism:


Mahomes stuff aside, this is a beautiful throw that directly translates to Shanny's offense. I don't need to see the all-22 to know this is yankee, one of Kyle's favorite concepts. Come on, Kyle, don't overthink this one.

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Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
That's my understanding too. The difference between 3rd, 4th, and 5th means to me that they envision any of the top 5 QBs as upgrades and worthy of the trade up. What we don't know was if the 3rd pick was specifically strategic or if it was pragmatic. At this point it doesn't matter. I honestly believe that because of the COVID restrictions, they didn't know exactly which QB they'd choose / prefer, but the initial scouting placed all 5 guys as worthy of the pick and worthy of at least next year's first round pick too. Also, part of the calculus was that next years QBs were not valued as high, so it was time to strike. And by moving up, it gave them adequate time to examine their options out in the open as opposed to in the shadows at #12.

Breer said they never offered anything for 4-5 and more or less was asking if they were willing to move down....my takeaway from that is they were seeing who wanted a QB in the top 5 and who was willing to move down for someone that may wanted a QB.

They along with Miami didn't shop their pick with any other teams...it was just a matter of Miami finding a 3rd team.

I can't wait for the draft to be done at this point lol

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Or it could be that they wanted to go to 3, but Miami wasn't will to go back to 12 so they were checking with 4,5, and 6 to see who would be willing to go back to 12, and Philly was the only team. ????????‍??

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tankle104:
but do you think Mahommes is a fair comparison for any QB prospect? Mahommes also has one of the most special passing abilities ever. He makes throws that are just unbelievable, every game. He has set records in his first few seasons etc.

My whole point is that I would take a special passing talent over a special running talent that can throw. I am not saying fields cant throw or anything like that - just making a general point. I'm going to root for and support whoever we select. The only Qb I would be disappointed in if we selected would be Lance, would still support him though.

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As a prospect Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes coming out of Texas Tech. FIelds is literally a once in a generation prospect. That does not mean he is perfect & will not need to be coached in the NFL. But if he comes close to maxing out he is a top 5 QB easily.

Well if that is true, no need to worry about us signing him as the Jets will certainly take a "once in a generation " prospect.
Fields is a real talent. The "once in a generation" was taken by Andy Reid a couple yrs ago.

Talent is one thing...hyperbole another.

You do realize multiple HOFers can play at the same time and even come from the same draft?

Sure, but Mahomes can do things that are just mind blowing, just one of which is to be looking R and suddenly throws a no look pass to the left. But that is just one of many. In a losing effort in SB, he showed some of his finest stuff. Throwing spot on passes while literally flying sideways horizontal to ground and throwing a dart. Escapability...even on one good foot...phenomenal. Understanding of game, reads, accuracy, quick release...the kid has it all and more. One thing he can't do tho is win against a team that has thoroughly and completely dominated his awful OL, some of which was due to injury. So even the best, take away his OL completely and it is literally impossible for him to win.

he remains, however, a truly generational QB. Keep in mind, that i really like Fields. Also Wilson, Lawrence, Mac, and Lance. Any one of them can be an exceptional QB, but we have the secret weapon...KYLE. No matter who we choose that kid is going to have the best in OCing, HCing, not to mention a great D. So whoever the lucky kid is that we pick, he and we can expect a great career...because he has talent and he has the best coach for any Qb.

Originally posted by jvangeystel:
Finally got to the end of this damn thread. I think people underestimate how honest Shanny is being. Look at comments made about Mahomes and Josh Allen. I think most people have the consensus of Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance and then Jones. Some have Jones higher but generally the thought is he is the 4th or 5th prospect but he is projected at 3 because of a Kyle connection. However this connection is completely speculation. Then look at Kyle saying there are 3 QBs they're comfortable with and a 4th or 5th that are kind of in the conversation or getting there. That matches what everyone is saying about the top 3 being top notch prospects and Lance and Jones being in the convo. It's also a really sly way to be honest without showing your hand. Add in the real and deep connections Fields legitimately has with Shanny and his circle of friends. Plus the Saleh connection. I don't think it hurts the Jets at all to tip off his old boss that put him in the position to earn his current job.

Now the whole stubborn Shanny thing. I don't buy it. A lot of this narrative comes from him running or not running the ball in specific situations and/or running sweeps at the wrong time. People praise the genius all day long and tomorrow until something doesn't go perfect and then he's an idiot. It's silly I think. Also he cut Joe Williams quick. He benched and kept Pettis in the dog house. These were HIS guys alone. He started looking for tough sob recievers after. I think he can admit when he's wrong and adapt as well as any coach in the league.

Lastly I love the confidence to always go get your guys. I think that is the type of cajones you need to be that legendary organization. The NFL is full of blue chip players and personnel. The draft is a crap shoot and the only thing guaranteed is that you will be wrong. So why not try to project traits and try to draft around what the rest of the league is not seeing. Why not swing for the fence once or twice in the draft and hope for the best. You will be fired none the less when you play it safe and the player busts out anyway. I think we are in good hands as 9er fans and I trust these guys to do the right thing...

Draft Fields and make him a perennial All Pro!

Screw Mahomes!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Heroism:


Mahomes stuff aside, this is a beautiful throw that directly translates to Shanny's offense. I don't need to see the all-22 to know this is yankee, one of Kyle's favorite concepts. Come on, Kyle, don't overthink this one.

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Jimmy would've checked down, missed the read, underthrown it or taken a sack. Yes Kyle don't f**king overthink this

You cant teach this

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Heroism:


Mahomes stuff aside, this is a beautiful throw that directly translates to Shanny's offense. I don't need to see the all-22 to know this is yankee, one of Kyle's favorite concepts. Come on, Kyle, don't overthink this one.

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That was an easy 53 yard throw on rhythm that he hits all day. You can't look at that throw and say I want Mac.

Originally posted by Jcool:
You cant teach this

That's such a dagger that we haven't had since Garcia...

Originally posted by Jcool:
You cant teach this

That was 60 yards, wide stance in a congested pocket. That's just stupid. Mac couldn't dream of making this throw.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Why do people feel the need to compare players to greats? I'll say Fields is closer to Mahomes than Jones is to Brady.

Agreed

Originally posted by Jcool:
You cant teach this

Yup a thing of beauty, which is why i would be delighted if we picked him...but same goes for the other 4 guys...I'd be a happy camper with any of them , because we have Kyle, and that is what makes the difference . All 4-5 kids have great talent'. Put any one of them with kyle and i believe we'll be golden.

it is more than passing strange to me that more folks don't realize this. Some are all Mac, then Fields, then Wilson then Lance. What matters in the end is QB talent + HC/OC talent and that gives the final result. I think we can get there 4 or 5 different ways. And don't be destroyed if Jets change their minds and take...yeah..the guy throwing the ball in the vid above.

If you want to know who i think is really worried, it is the Jets. Why? They can get talent, but Saleh KNOWS they don't have kyle. It is also why i think they are contemplating changing their minds. Wonder how many times Saleh has watched this play? My guess....PLENTY.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Jcool:
You cant teach this

That's such a dagger that we haven't had since Garcia...

Garcia???? What the eff were you watching??? That was a 60 yard rope off of a partial side step in a congested pocket. Watched him for 2 years up here in N. Indiana. He did that every game. Incredibly accurate deep ball. We have never had this arm talent behind center. Never

What makes people believe that he can't go #3 overall? I think he can. Not saying he will. It's just possible that's all.

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Jcool:
You cant teach this

That's such a dagger that we haven't had since Garcia...

Garcia???? What the eff were you watching??? That was a 60 yard rope off of a partial side step in a congested pocket. Watched him for 2 years up here in N. Indiana. He did that every game. Incredibly accurate deep ball. We have never had this arm talent behind center. Never

I'm not trying to say that Garcia had anywhere near that level of talent, I'm just saying the Niners haven't had a deep, over the top dagger passing offense since Garcia / Owens.