Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
That's my understanding too. The difference between 3rd, 4th, and 5th means to me that they envision any of the top 5 QBs as upgrades and worthy of the trade up. What we don't know was if the 3rd pick was specifically strategic or if it was pragmatic. At this point it doesn't matter. I honestly believe that because of the COVID restrictions, they didn't know exactly which QB they'd choose / prefer, but the initial scouting placed all 5 guys as worthy of the pick and worthy of at least next year's first round pick too. Also, part of the calculus was that next years QBs were not valued as high, so it was time to strike. And by moving up, it gave them adequate time to examine their options out in the open as opposed to in the shadows at #12.
Breer said they never offered anything for 4-5 and more or less was asking if they were willing to move down....my takeaway from that is they were seeing who wanted a QB in the top 5 and who was willing to move down for someone that may wanted a QB.
They along with Miami didn't shop their pick with any other teams...it was just a matter of Miami finding a 3rd team.
I can't wait for the draft to be done at this point lol
Or it could be that they wanted to go to 3, but Miami wasn't will to go back to 12 so they were checking with 4,5, and 6 to see who would be willing to go back to 12, and Philly was the only team. ??????????
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by tankle104:
but do you think Mahommes is a fair comparison for any QB prospect? Mahommes also has one of the most special passing abilities ever. He makes throws that are just unbelievable, every game. He has set records in his first few seasons etc.
My whole point is that I would take a special passing talent over a special running talent that can throw. I am not saying fields cant throw or anything like that - just making a general point. I'm going to root for and support whoever we select. The only Qb I would be disappointed in if we selected would be Lance, would still support him though.
As a prospect Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes coming out of Texas Tech. FIelds is literally a once in a generation prospect. That does not mean he is perfect & will not need to be coached in the NFL. But if he comes close to maxing out he is a top 5 QB easily.
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Well if that is true, no need to worry about us signing him as the Jets will certainly take a "once in a generation " prospect.
Fields is a real talent. The "once in a generation" was taken by Andy Reid a couple yrs ago.
Talent is one thing...hyperbole another.
You do realize multiple HOFers can play at the same time and even come from the same draft?
Sure, but Mahomes can do things that are just mind blowing, just one of which is to be looking R and suddenly throws a no look pass to the left. But that is just one of many. In a losing effort in SB, he showed some of his finest stuff. Throwing spot on passes while literally flying sideways horizontal to ground and throwing a dart. Escapability...even on one good foot...phenomenal. Understanding of game, reads, accuracy, quick release...the kid has it all and more. One thing he can't do tho is win against a team that has thoroughly and completely dominated his awful OL, some of which was due to injury. So even the best, take away his OL completely and it is literally impossible for him to win.
he remains, however, a truly generational QB. Keep in mind, that i really like Fields. Also Wilson, Lawrence, Mac, and Lance. Any one of them can be an exceptional QB, but we have the secret weapon...KYLE. No matter who we choose that kid is going to have the best in OCing, HCing, not to mention a great D. So whoever the lucky kid is that we pick, he and we can expect a great career...because he has talent and he has the best coach for any Qb.
Mahomes could alway pull rabbits out of his hat on the football field, the question was, would he ever improve on the boring aspects of playing QB at an NFL level. Obviously he did and the results speak for themselves. It's the reason brain surgeons are paid so much. There is a group of humans that have the precision needed to operate on something so delicate, but you also need someone who is smart enough study medicine and to know the intricacies of the brain. The Venn diagram that captures both of those groups of people is very small. I would argue the same is true for QBs. There are some that are game managers, and their are some who are Gun slingers, and the truly great ones are somehow both.
Fields is a different person with different strengths. He is less of an artist on the field, even though he has the tools to create on the field. (Which I think would actually make him more appealing to Kyle) But the reason, I think he is just as rare in a different type of way, is he is super talented, and always has been since HS, he is also a refined passer winning the elite 11 where he couldn't use his legs to bail him out. Usually, guys with 4.4 speed never learn to hang in the pocket, because they don't ever need to. But because of Trevor Lawrence, he has also always been overlooked. Usually people as talented as him are entitled and everyone around them tells them how great they are. There were so many things that kept him hungry and humble and he has a desire to show world that they were wrong about him. Not to mention, he is a winner and a leader of men.
Getting someone as gifted, refined, pedigreed, and accomplished as him with the 3rd pick in the draft will not happen again for a long time IMO. In most drafts teams would be talking about tanking for him years in advance, but because of Trevor, he has always been viewed as the consolation prize. I believe he will use that as fuel to make him a great NFL QB. I just hope to God, it is in a Niners uniform.
