Originally posted by 4ML:
I think the whole accuracy thing was kind of addressed in that video too. The coach from QB Takeover said - Fields has been getting private training on his mechanics for years. Lance got it for the first time this year and has already seen a big improvement.
In what game? Or are we going to assume his accuracy is all good in actual game situations?
That's certainly encouraging but he wouldn't be the first QB to work on his mechanics but the accuracy doesn't magically get better. Josh Allen is one, but it took him 3 years and it's a tough ask.
Or see if the mechanics have changed or not in his pro day tomorrow. Josh Allen is Josh Allen. Everyone is different. Lance started playing QB late and obviously looks like to be a damn fast learner.
I doubt very seriously that the pick is Lance. He's good, but Lance has WHY too much development to be had. He needs at least 2 seasons to be bridged in. We have one more season with Jimmy. Fields will be the better pick as he'll actually be ready by mid season (not that he'll be the mid season starter). In 2022 he'll be hitting the ground running. So I can't see Lance being the pick.
Yeah I keep hearing that Lance needs more time than Fields and I just don't buy it. You can argue that Fields is the better overall prospect and I have no issues with that but Lance is the most familiar with this kind of scheme, calling protections, memorizing long play calls, huddling, the short passing game, manipulating defenses with footwork, all stuff Fields did not do much of or at all in college.
I think the fanbase would generally feel better about Fields playing earlier because most people saw him play against elite competition while Lance wasn't even playing in D1. But that doesn't mean he's the most pro ready. Just look at Wentz and Goff coming out. Wentz was far more effective than Goff early on in his career when he didn't have the stats or play against the level of competition that Goff did.
Lance and Fields are two completely different prospects but if I had to guess who would fair better if they had to play early in year one it would be Wilson and Lance because they know the system period. That doesn't take away from the fact that Fields could be the best QB in this class.
Lance running that NDSU offense doesn't somehow make him more prepared than Fields to learn Kyle's offense. Lance had 314 or something around there pass attempts in his college career. A college career played in the FCS for the best team in that division.
I have no doubt the kid is smart and he's got a good base to learn from but Kyle's offense is a challenge for seasoned pros like Matt Ryan who had 100 NFL starts under his belt before Kyle got there and said it took him a good year to get it. Obviously every guy is different but point is having more snaps under center doesn't guarantee someone is ready to take on Kyle's system as a rookie.
Right. I'm not making that claim. I'm making the opposite claim that having more throws and better stats against tougher competition doesn't mean you're more prepared than someone with less throws against worse competition.
See Carson Wentz vs Jared Goff example.
Somehow it's impossible for me to dispute someone's claim without seeming to be for the opposite claim. I've turned into pro Lance on everything just from playing devils advocate and trying to be consistent.
Originally posted by 4ML:
I think the whole accuracy thing was kind of addressed in that video too. The coach from QB Takeover said - Fields has been getting private training on his mechanics for years. Lance got it for the first time this year and has already seen a big improvement.
Wish we could see a demonstration of that in actual games, but we can't. I remember how often we heard about Kaepernick showing amazing improvement in his mechanics and accuracy each spring and each fall he reverted back to his old habits.
Basically, game film or it didn't happen.
I wouldn't say that - especially when season was canceled. That's where I hope Shanahan does his homework.
Again - draft is not only about what you've done - it's also a projection. Good thing is - Shanahan has access to these coaches and he has to figure out how much he can rely on what they're saying and what to believe. That's why I think Lance pro day is huge for him bc he's the one no one saw last year.
We better not make our decisions off pro days or bad things will be in our future. When we have the opportunity to draft a guy who has shown great accuracy in game situations and has the elite potential... you take him. Not the guy who still has to prove he can do those things in game situations.
I look at it differently. In Lance - we have a guy who has shown in game that he can call audibles and run the whole thing all by himself. Read coverages, blitzes, assign routes to WRs at LOS and protection - I think that has very high value in Shanahan's system.
Yep, one of the most beautiful deep passes I've seen in awhile. A legitimate 60 yard bomb in a congested pocket and it was right on the money. In the context of this game, this was a real dagger. Clemson had just scored a TD and looked like they could get back in the game and then Fields threw this bomb and killed all hope of a comeback. Shortly after he followed it up with another similar bomb to remove any remaining doubt.
Basically if Shanahan picks Jones it's a fireable offense, at least based on the information available right now. Especially in light of the Solomon Thomas/CJ Beathard fiasco.
Hence the absolute necessity of this pick being by the triumvirate, everybody with one vote. Peters/Kyle. JohnL. If this goes to the HC because he is the one calling plays, then it needs to be, HAS to be , unanimous. I've posted this at least a dozen times and it gets ignored. But the rubber is about to meet the road here and anything less than a unanimous vote, and i would deem our draft a fail.
This has to be a summit of the WISE people. No matter who holds out for xyz, it has to be unanimous. 2/3 doesn't work either . From here in the cheap seats , everyone has to has his name on it and accepts responsibility and congratulations. If there is a divide, then we got the wrong guy. All 3 sign off on it, and I'm fine with anyone of the 4, assuming jets completely go in a different direction, and Saleh is getting tired of looking at this video. I am Mac to Zac on this and all in between.
Isn't John in charge of the 90 and kyle the 45? Did that little item get ignored or was it never true to start with? If anybody should have the final say here, it should be John and peters. Kyle has some kind of lack in picking QB talent...just...well look at the list. Not awe inspiring . And JimmyG who took us to the SB, was basically dropped on us by BB. Still no matter about the 90, it must be unanimous.
Do that and really with Kyle's ability to playcall and set up plays, calling somebody open....he has the talent to teach and create. There is talent galore here, no matter who we choose, and I'd be thrilled with any of them. That's a long way from where I started at #12 with either Mac, Surtain, or Slater.
But i came around on QBs, and now, we're golden as long as it is unanimous.
So if they differ on which QB to take are you saying they shouldnt take one? I am sure there are always difference of opinions on draft prospects but there is ALWAYS one guy who makes the final decision. For the 49ers that person is Kyle Shanahan. He is going to decide who he wants and that is who the Niners will take. I am sure he will listen to Peters and Lynch but at the end of the day he is making that call. From what I have heard its in his contract.
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
I'll cream my pants for either Fields or Lance.
You cream your pants for anyone. You must have 3000 pairs of pants!
What you're really telling us is, please not Jones!
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
I'll cream my pants for either Fields or Lance.
You cream your pants for anyone. You must have 3000 pairs of pants!
What you're really telling us is, please not Jones!
Lol, yeah I got a couple of pair - as long as it isn't Jones I'll be satisfied.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
I'll cream my pants for either Fields or Lance.
You cream your pants for anyone. You must have 3000 pairs of pants!
What you're really telling us is, please not Jones!
Lol, yeah I got a couple of pair - as long as it isn't Jones I'll be satisfied.
What do you make of the fact Beck has worked with Fields and Kyle now asked Lance to work with Beck the last few weeks? Imo that means Fields, but they want to compare the two and have Becks direct input. Not sure if that means Jones is ahead or behind them tbh, but I would hope he's the distant 3rd.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
I'll cream my pants for either Fields or Lance.
You cream your pants for anyone. You must have 3000 pairs of pants!
What you're really telling us is, please not Jones!
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
I'll cream my pants for either Fields or Lance.
You cream your pants for anyone. You must have 3000 pairs of pants!
What you're really telling us is, please not Jones!
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
I'll cream my pants for either Fields or Lance.
You cream your pants for anyone. You must have 3000 pairs of pants!
What you're really telling us is, please not Jones!
Lol, yeah I got a couple of pair - as long as it isn't Jones I'll be satisfied.
What do you make of the fact Beck has worked with Fields and Kyle now asked Lance to work with Beck the last few weeks? Imo that means Fields, but they want to compare the two and have Becks direct input. Not sure if that means Jones is ahead or behind them tbh, but I would hope he's the distant 3rd.
I think it means that it's going to be Lance or Fields.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You can see on this very draft board that maybe 25% of people really liked Mahomes here. Many more thought he was a fourth round talent, which is embarrassing.
But we don't really know much about what NFL scouts thought, because only ten teams had the opportunity to draft him, and one of them DID. He didn't get passed ten, so we don't know how many were dumb enough to think he was a day three pick. As for the 49ers, we just know the 49ers thought Solomon Thomas + Kirk Cousins was better than Mahomes.
Oh calm down there was plenty of reasons to have pause with mahomes. Dude was about as raw as it gets at QB.
dude had krusty the clown footwork, had absolutely no idea how to diagnose coverages, there was holy s**t throws and WTF throws all the same.
kid went to the ultimate scenario for him. Toss him in NJ and play him week 1 and we might have a different discussion about him.
I think it's a great example of why SF should be shooting for the moon here...this team is good, they have a quality starter (when healthy), we have a great coaching staff. Fields or Lance make too much sense.
Mahomes is GREAT! However, he went too one of the best situations in the history of qbs being drafted. He went to a stacked playoff team with a hall of fame head coach and sat behind an incredibly intelligent qb who was gracious enough to help him with every facet of the game even though said qb knew he was taking his job. It's crazy to me because it is pretty rare to see this play out. We usually have to watch extremely talented players get their careers destroyed by dog s**t coaching/rosters, and getting thrown in the fire before they are ready. The good thing is I think whoever the 9ers choose should have a very similar opportunity. Let's hope they take it and run with it.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I have been on the draft Justin Fields bandwagon since day 1 but Lance is certainly intriguing. I love everything about him other than he simply doesnt have the experience against quality opponents that Fields has. Its close but at the end of the day I would have Fields name on the card come draft day.
I'll cream my pants for either Fields or Lance.
You cream your pants for anyone. You must have 3000 pairs of pants!
What you're really telling us is, please not Jones!
Lol, yeah I got a couple of pair - as long as it isn't Jones I'll be satisfied.
Finally was able to update my catchable ball (accuracy) chart with Mac Jones' data. I compared them to my database of 89 QBs and color-coded the results into quartiles. Green is top-25%, yellow 26-50%, orange is 51-75%, red is bottom 25%. Impressive numbers sans Lance (1/?) pic.twitter.com/Rz4ubm02GC
