Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by evil:
No guarantee they will be in position to draft a QB next year. If a prospect they believe is a FQB is sitting there at 4, it would be crazy to pass that opportunity over.

Not saying they will draft a QB, but the idea should be fully explored. And they would be smart to not signal or tip their hand.

I get that but why give Ryan a big fat contract just 2 yrs ago if the plan was to move off him? Dude wasn't even close to the reason they lost games last yr... that defenses is hot trash. They have some massive cap issues and should be trying to move down if anything.

4 might be a spot to move up and I doubt they're trading with the Panthers.

New GM and HC had nothing to do with previous contract for Ryan though. Fresh start in Atlanta, and they are a bit of a mystery right now as to what they may or may not do.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If you can't mold their traits and skill set into a FQB then yeah we should be looking for a new coach.

That's just it you shouldn't have to mold their traits and skill sets. That is why most QBs fail that are drafted so high. They go to teams that have to "mold" them.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Great post Jeff, showing that you can look past your love of one prospect, to give an objective opinion of another, unlike the post below yours.

LMAO! yea my dislike for either of them two has nothing to do with who I do like.

Originally posted by evil:
New GM and HC had nothing to do with previous contract for Ryan though. Fresh start in Atlanta, and they are a bit of a mystery right now as to what they may or may not do.

So? The previous HC/GM didn't draft Ryan either. Same with GB and Rogers. Same with a ton of GM/HC that get hired and have a FQB at the helm.

why is it that the QB is always the they need a "fresh start"? Lol. Ryan wasn't close to the problem in ATL....if anything they're worse moving off Ryan.

I will agree it's a mystery. I just don't see the point in paying all these dudes and not giving them actual help....imo it's like the Rogers Jordan love scenario.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So? The previous HC/GM didn't draft Ryan either. Same with GB and Rogers. Same with a ton of GM/HC that get hired and have a FQB at the helm.

why is it that the QB is always the they need a "fresh start"? Lol. Ryan wasn't close to the problem in ATL....if anything they're worse moving off Ryan.

I will agree it's a mystery. I just don't see the point in paying all these dudes and not giving them actual help....imo it's like the Rogers Jordan love scenario.

The Rodgers/Love scenario is kind of what your question in your second line is about.

It's like the new regime wanted their own QB(maybe still do) but Rodgers went out and had an MVP season.

Originally posted by krizay:
That's just it you shouldn't have to mold their traits and skill sets. That is why most QBs fail that are drafted so high. They go to teams that have to "mold" them.

Oh b******t lol. Yeah Mahomes/Allen came into the league as vets. They could read coverages like tom Brady from day 1. Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs his first yr.

it's the same with every position. Not every single player is Nick Bosa as far as technique/polish goes. Doesn't mean they can't learn that with proper coaching/snaps...as long as the have the traits to do it to begin with.

Originally posted by krizay:
The Rodgers/Love scenario is kind of what your question in your second line is about.

It's like the new regime wanted their own QB(maybe still do) but Rodgers went out and had an MVP season.

Yeah and Ryan could very well do the same with Smith who runs a very similar scheme to what made him an MVP in 2016.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah and Ryan could very well do the same with Smith who runs a very similar scheme to what made him an MVP in 2016.

Very true, but most new coaches usually tend to want to hand pick their own QB. we shall see

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh b******t lol. Yeah Mahomes/Allen came into the league as vets. They could read coverages like tom Brady from day 1. Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs his first yr.

it's the same with every position. Not every single player is Nick Bosa as far as technique/polish goes. Doesn't mean they can't learn that with proper coaching/snaps...as long as the have the traits to do it to begin with.

*looks over his shoulder and whispers* you shouldn't use Tom Brady's name around these parts.

Edit: and now you bring up Peyton Manning into the conversation. 3 MVP's ? Interesting

Originally posted by krizay:
*looks over his shoulder and whispers* you shouldn't use Tom Brady's name around these parts.

Typical response that's brings nothing to the table.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Typical response that's brings nothing to the table.

My bad! To follow your lead.

Paxton Lynch and EJ Manuel couldn't read a coverages like Tom Brady

Ryan Leaf threw 15 ints his 1st year.

So that means what for Fields? Nothing!

My statement was trying to mold traits is why QBs fail. You then rebutt with Mahomes and Allen. Allen is still a question mark BTW. his 1st 2 years he was exactly as advertised. Big step this year but in playoff game he resorted back to his old self. Cam Newton even had 1 good year. We shall see if this was Allen's one season.

Furthermore, your "molding traits" was boiled down to one singular mold of reading a defense

But this is why I stay out of the Fields ND Lance threads.

I apologize. As you were

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
It would be really shocking if ATL doesn't take a QB. Ryan is basically done and he's got a huge contract. 2022 is their out with him. So they draft a QB this year, sit him, and let him take over the following year. It's a perfect scenario for ATL.

See I kinda disagree there...what's the point of paying Ryan, Julio and everyone else if you're not gonna help them out this yr? Might as well move them take the DM hit (get some sort of compensation) if you're not trying to actually win in 2021.

ATL is another trade down candidate imo, they need cheap young rookie talent with how their cap looks. Ryan wasn't the reason they sucked last yr. PFF ranked him as 12th overall and now he's in a system that's similar to what kyle ran in ATL.

He's regressed so much over the past 2 years, especially last year. That defense was bad, but he's not the same. He's not bad, but he's not even close to playing at the level he was playing at for all those years. Most QBs aren't going to age like Brady. 36 is normal for QBs to start getting worse.

Plus, they get their GA boy with Fields.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Sweet baby Jesus can we swing for the fences just once!

This is the year to be bold. It's time to finally address the QB position. Go all in if you love one of these guys, Kyle.

As I mentioned before, I do not want to trade away one of our studs. I don't like giving away proven NFL talent, but I'll gladly support trading away future first-round picks to move up if Kyle loves a guy.

Originally posted by krizay:
My bad! To follow your lead.

Paxton Lynch and EJ Manuel couldn't read a coverages like Tom Brady

Ryan Leaf threw 15 ints his 1st year.

So that means what for Fields? Nothing!

My statement was trying to mold traits is why QBs fail. You then rebutt with Mahomes and Allen. Allen is still a question mark BTW. his 1st 2 years he was exactly as advertised. Big step this year but in playoff game he resorted back to his old self. Cam Newton even had 1 good year. We shall see if this was Allen's one season.

Furthermore, your "molding traits" was boiled down to one singular mold of reading a defense

And my statement was pretty cut and dry. Traits matter, upside matters, what a player CAN become matters. A good coaching staff absolutely should be able to mold a player and his skill set into the best player they can be...that's the whole damn point of the draft. When a player is at his peak coming out of the draft that's good and bad.

Half the time when high trait players fail, it's because they either didn't want to improve or were drafted to a horrible team with a bad coaching staff.

You damn well know why I said reading a defense...we all know what your comments regarding rookie QBs relate back to (or I should say whom).

Originally posted by krizay:
But this is why I stay out of the Fields ND Lance threads.

I apologize. As you were

And yes maybe you should I don't go into your Jones thread because ya'll get hot and bothered if I say anything negative about him.