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Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Looking at the Shanahan Offense™️ as it is right now doesn't do it justice. The offense has been withered away by bad QB play the last 4 szns. The real "scheme fit" QB isn't the guy we can safely drop in but the one who can bring it back to what it was:https://t.co/KiYuMmcqeR

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Don't have PFF. What's the conclusion of the article?

The whole point is that it's a common narrative that Shanahan is a good offensive coordinator regardless of quarterback skill. He can lift his quarterbacks, but not for multiple years. For that, he's going to need an elite player at the position, which could be any of the draft-eligible quarterbacks because this is all a crapshoot. Or, more importantly, he is going to need a quarterback who can expand his offense immediately.

Those structural elements listed only exist because San Francisco's quarterback play has dwindled during Shanahan's tenure. Looking at the 49ers' offense as it is right now and slotting in Mac Jones tells me that, deep down, we think Jones is not a good quarterback and Shanahan will again have to keep his offense afloat with bad quarterback play.

It feels like we can only fit an average-arm quarterback with middling athleticism into the offense because that's what the unit has been under Garoppolo, C.J. Beathard, Nick Mullensand Brian Hoyer.

But that's not what the offense could be.

Trey Lance and Justin Fields are better options because the 49ers' attack can then look closer to what Shanahan accomplished with Matt Ryan in Atlanta, mixed in with what he and his father did in Washington with Robert Griffin III.

Originally posted by ritz126:
why i dont agree with this is shannahan worked with what he had in ATL. His weapons were roddy white and Julio Jones both are more deep threats. He got to pick his personnel here and its more of a YAC skillset

He had a 34 yr old white for a yr...he was a possession WR. He also brought in Goodwin as a deep threat. He brought in Garcon who wasn't just a YAC guy. He moved up for Pettis who was never a YAC guy. Kyle has evolved what he values at WR.

Originally posted by ritz126:
why i dont agree with this is shannahan worked with what he had in ATL. His weapons were roddy white and Julio Jones both are more deep threats. He got to pick his personnel here and its more of a YAC skillset

Nah, that's why he went and got Goodwin, then realised that his QB's strengths was YAC from short or intermediate routes across the middle.

Whichever QB we draft the playbook will open up. Make them defend every blade of grass.

#FieldsAt3

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
#FieldsAt3

Lance at 3

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Nah, that's why he went and got Goodwin, then realised that his QB's strengths was YAC from short or intermediate routes across the middle.

Whichever QB we draft the playbook will open up. Make them defend every blade of grass.

Yup no one truthfully believes Kyle doesn't want to use all 3 levels of the field.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you guys think Shanahan is just a big dum-dum that can't get any of our current players open deep?

He can get them open just fine. The problem is getting the ball there.

That's the point. Our lack of deep passing isn't because we haven't had WRs capable of going deep.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

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I doubt very seriously that the pick is Lance. He's good, but Lance has WHY too much development to be had. He needs at least 2 seasons to be bridged in. We have one more season with Jimmy. Fields will be the better pick as he'll actually be ready by mid season (not that he'll be the mid season starter). In 2022 he'll be hitting the ground running. So I can't see Lance being the pick.

Yeah I keep hearing that Lance needs more time than Fields and I just don't buy it. You can argue that Fields is the better overall prospect and I have no issues with that but Lance is the most familiar with this kind of scheme, calling protections, memorizing long play calls, huddling, the short passing game, manipulating defenses with footwork, all stuff Fields did not do much of or at all in college.

I think the fanbase would generally feel better about Fields playing earlier because most people saw him play against elite competition while Lance wasn't even playing in D1. But that doesn't mean he's the most pro ready. Just look at Wentz and Goff coming out. Wentz was far more effective than Goff early on in his career when he didn't have the stats or play against the level of competition that Goff did.

Lance and Fields are two completely different prospects but if I had to guess who would fair better if they had to play early in year one it would be Wilson and Lance because they know the system period. That doesn't take away from the fact that Fields could be the best QB in this class.

Lance running that NDSU offense doesn't somehow make him more prepared than Fields to learn Kyle's offense. Lance had 314 or something around there pass attempts in his college career. A college career played in the FCS for the best team in that division.

I have no doubt the kid is smart and he's got a good base to learn from but Kyle's offense is a challenge for seasoned pros like Matt Ryan who had 100 NFL starts under his belt before Kyle got there and said it took him a good year to get it. Obviously every guy is different but point is having more snaps under center doesn't guarantee someone is ready to take on Kyle's system as a rookie.

This precisely why people are saying that Lance will need more time than Fields. People aren't just pulling that out their a$$es. Lance played in a heavily run-first offence that didn't rely on his arm to win, against far lessor competition than Fields no less. Neither of these QB's are coming in and starting day one, not in Shanny's scheme. Trust me, Lance will need at least two seasons in Shanny's system before he could start. Fields will need a year. I think Fields is the pick as he's the more pro-ready of the two.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
#FieldsAt3

Lance at 3

[gonna kick you out of the Warriors thread]

I've heard that contrary to popular belief, Fields went to his secondary receiver more than any of the QBs in the draft. Maybe it was because his receivers weren't getting open as easily as Alabama's. Clemson's, NDSU's and BYU's. He maymhave been forced to look for them unlike Jones or Lawrence who looked downfield and had an open guy alll the time.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
#FieldsAt3

Lance at 3

[gonna kick you out of the Warriors thread]

What?

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I doubt very seriously that the pick is Lance. He's good, but Lance has WHY too much development to be had. He needs at least 2 seasons to be bridged in. We have one more season with Jimmy. Fields will be the better pick as he'll actually be ready by mid season (not that he'll be the mid season starter). In 2022 he'll be hitting the ground running. So I can't see Lance being the pick.

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Yeah I keep hearing that Lance needs more time than Fields and I just don't buy it. You can argue that Fields is the better overall prospect and I have no issues with that but Lance is the most familiar with this kind of scheme, calling protections, memorizing long play calls, huddling, the short passing game, manipulating defenses with footwork, all stuff Fields did not do much of or at all in college.

I think the fanbase would generally feel better about Fields playing earlier because most people saw him play against elite competition while Lance wasn't even playing in D1. But that doesn't mean he's the most pro ready. Just look at Wentz and Goff coming out. Wentz was far more effective than Goff early on in his career when he didn't have the stats or play against the level of competition that Goff did.

Lance and Fields are two completely different prospects but if I had to guess who would fair better if they had to play early in year one it would be Wilson and Lance because they know the system period. That doesn't take away from the fact that Fields could be the best QB in this class.

Lance running that NDSU offense doesn't somehow make him more prepared than Fields to learn Kyle's offense. Lance had 314 or something around there pass attempts in his college career. A college career played in the FCS for the best team in that division.

I have no doubt the kid is smart and he's got a good base to learn from but Kyle's offense is a challenge for seasoned pros like Matt Ryan who had 100 NFL starts under his belt before Kyle got there and said it took him a good year to get it. Obviously every guy is different but point is having more snaps under center doesn't guarantee someone is ready to take on Kyle's system as a rookie.

This precisely why people are saying that Lance will need more time than Fields. People aren't just pulling that out their a$$es. Lance played in a heavily run-first offence that didn't rely on his arm to win, against far lessor competition than Fields no less. Neither of these QB's are coming in and starting day one, not in Shanny's scheme. Trust me, Lance will need at least two seasons in Shanny's system before he could start. Fields will need a year. I think Fields is the pick as he's the more pro-ready of the two.

Then explain Jared Goff and Carson Wentz. It's the exact same situation. Goff had far better stats and played against higher competition and Wentz barely threw the ball only late into his college career.

Anyone thinking any of these QBs will be sitting two years is out of their mind considering how much we have invested into this single player and what it means for your team's Super Bowl window to have your starting QB on a rookie deal.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
#FieldsAt3

This is it for me. Don't want Jones or Lance. If Fields goes 2, I want Wilson at 3. Have not changed my stance so haven't said much here. We are talking in circles at this point. Fields or Wilson.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Then explain Jared Goff and Carson Wentz. It's the exact same situation. Goff had far better stats and played against higher competition and Wentz barely threw the ball only late into his college career.

Anyone thinking any of these QBs will be sitting two years is out of their mind considering how much we have invested into this single player and what it means for your team's Super Bowl window to have your starting QB on a rookie deal.

The Rams and Eagles didn't have a QB on their roster that had helped the team reach the Super Bowl, so the situation isn't quite the same.

"It's definitely not Fields " -media clowns

yea it's gonna be fields