Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ritz126:
why i dont agree with this is shannahan worked with what he had in ATL. His weapons were roddy white and Julio Jones both are more deep threats. He got to pick his personnel here and its more of a YAC skillset

He had a 34 yr old white for a yr...he was a possession WR. He also brought in Goodwin as a deep threat. He brought in Garcon who wasn't just a YAC guy. He moved up for Pettis who was never a YAC guy. Kyle has evolved what he values at WR.

those guys predate picks with higher draft capital in Aiyuk and Deebo

im not saying he doesn't want to go deep or that these guys aren't capable of it but where both those guys (and Kittle) shine is YAC. Also Garcon was never a deep threat/speed guy he was a possession WR who was a great route runner who has decent to good speed

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Then explain Jared Goff and Carson Wentz. It's the exact same situation. Goff had far better stats and played against higher competition and Wentz barely threw the ball only late into his college career.

Anyone thinking any of these QBs will be sitting two years is out of their mind considering how much we have invested into this single player and what it means for your team's Super Bowl window to have your starting QB on a rookie deal.

The Rams and Eagles didn't have a QB on their roster that had helped the team reach the Super Bowl, so the situation isn't quite the same.

We don't commit this hard if we aren't ready to replace JG. Kyle's style has been aggressive from playbook install to play calling. He's not going to sit a #3 pick QB for very long. The best experience is to play. His offense may be complicated, but it does make it easier on the QB. We didn't even use Jimmy in the playoffs of our SB run.

This run-game can easily protect a rookie QB as he develops.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Then explain Jared Goff and Carson Wentz. It's the exact same situation. Goff had far better stats and played against higher competition and Wentz barely threw the ball only late into his college career.

Anyone thinking any of these QBs will be sitting two years is out of their mind considering how much we have invested into this single player and what it means for your team's Super Bowl window to have your starting QB on a rookie deal.

The Rams and Eagles didn't have a QB on their roster that had helped the team reach the Super Bowl, so the situation isn't quite the same.

We don't commit this hard if we aren't ready to replace JG. Kyle's style has been aggressive from playbook install to play calling. He's not going to sit a #3 pick QB for very long. The best experience is to play. His offense may be complicated, but it does make it easier on the QB. We didn't even use Jimmy in the playoffs of our SB run.

This run-game can easily protect a rookie QB as he develops.

i disagree. I think who ever the pick is will sit a year. Jimmy G is a good qb when healthy (notice i didnt say great) and we can win a SB when this team is healthy with him. I dont think any of these 3 qbs will be as good as Jimmy G in year 1 (especially Lance) if we somehow get Wilson then im with you we should start him but the rest of the 3 would benefit sitting a year behind a pro qb

I'm not sure if Shanny has evolved much at receiver. As a coordinator you don't control the personnel so comparing what he did in Atl might be misleading to a degree. Since he got here he's brought in Garcon and Goodwin and replaced them with Pettis (failed), Aiyuk, and Samuel. We also rented Sanders for the year. He's always had a variety approach at wr but they all have to be good route runners.

I think ideally he'd like more big plays and a more vertical presence but the deep threat we brought in (Goodwin) turned into a big tease. Started off good so we extended him then all downhill from there. Jimmy's limitations also factor in.

But he's had big play vertical offenses with Wash and Atl. It's not like he prefers to dink and dunk it. I just think it's a combo of Jimmy and relying too much on Goodwin as the deep threat.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
#FieldsAt3

Lance at 3

Come on mayo!!!!

The throws, progressions, ball placement, and footwork in that Clemson game were very impressive.

• A few throws he went to his 2nd, 3rd, and RB check-downs.
• The ball placement to the TE on that first TD was a thing of beauty. TE was covered too but it was a size mismatch.
• On the second TD to the TE QB playaction rollout left throw back side. He could have led the TE towards the side-lines which would have resulted in less RAC but he threw to force the TE upfield which allowed him to RAC it into the TD.
• Deep ball travelling 60 yards in the air on a small hitch to throw it!
• The pocket mobility, hitching up and hitching over to throw find his check-down RB.

He looked like he was in the zone this game. Very impressive game.

Originally posted by njninersfan420:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
#FieldsAt3

Lance at 3

Come on mayo!!!!

I like all three - but, Lance is my top choice.

All the Fields boys buttholes getting tight after Trey Lance pro day today

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I doubt very seriously that the pick is Lance. He's good, but Lance has WHY too much development to be had. He needs at least 2 seasons to be bridged in. We have one more season with Jimmy. Fields will be the better pick as he'll actually be ready by mid season (not that he'll be the mid season starter). In 2022 he'll be hitting the ground running. So I can't see Lance being the pick.

Yeah I keep hearing that Lance needs more time than Fields and I just don't buy it. You can argue that Fields is the better overall prospect and I have no issues with that but Lance is the most familiar with this kind of scheme, calling protections, memorizing long play calls, huddling, the short passing game, manipulating defenses with footwork, all stuff Fields did not do much of or at all in college.

I think the fanbase would generally feel better about Fields playing earlier because most people saw him play against elite competition while Lance wasn't even playing in D1. But that doesn't mean he's the most pro ready. Just look at Wentz and Goff coming out. Wentz was far more effective than Goff early on in his career when he didn't have the stats or play against the level of competition that Goff did.

Lance and Fields are two completely different prospects but if I had to guess who would fair better if they had to play early in year one it would be Wilson and Lance because they know the system period. That doesn't take away from the fact that Fields could be the best QB in this class.

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Lance running that NDSU offense doesn't somehow make him more prepared than Fields to learn Kyle's offense. Lance had 314 or something around there pass attempts in his college career. A college career played in the FCS for the best team in that division.

I have no doubt the kid is smart and he's got a good base to learn from but Kyle's offense is a challenge for seasoned pros like Matt Ryan who had 100 NFL starts under his belt before Kyle got there and said it took him a good year to get it. Obviously every guy is different but point is having more snaps under center doesn't guarantee someone is ready to take on Kyle's system as a rookie.

This precisely why people are saying that Lance will need more time than Fields. People aren't just pulling that out their a$$es. Lance played in a heavily run-first offence that didn't rely on his arm to win, against far lessor competition than Fields no less. Neither of these QB's are coming in and starting day one, not in Shanny's scheme. Trust me, Lance will need at least two seasons in Shanny's system before he could start. Fields will need a year. I think Fields is the pick as he's the more pro-ready of the two.

Then explain Jared Goff and Carson Wentz. It's the exact same situation. Goff had far better stats and played against higher competition and Wentz barely threw the ball only late into his college career.

Anyone thinking any of these QBs will be sitting two years is out of their mind considering how much we have invested into this single player and what it means for your team's Super Bowl window to have your starting QB on a rookie deal.

What's to explain? You're acting like Carson Wentz is that much better than Goff?

Not to mention Wentz had almost twice the pass attempts that Lance did when he went to a much better team and with better coaching.

Lance wouldn't be sitting two years but it would be smart for him to sit early on.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
All the Fields boys buttholes getting tight after Trey Lance pro day today

right....

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I doubt very seriously that the pick is Lance. He's good, but Lance has WHY too much development to be had. He needs at least 2 seasons to be bridged in. We have one more season with Jimmy. Fields will be the better pick as he'll actually be ready by mid season (not that he'll be the mid season starter). In 2022 he'll be hitting the ground running. So I can't see Lance being the pick.

Yeah I keep hearing that Lance needs more time than Fields and I just don't buy it. You can argue that Fields is the better overall prospect and I have no issues with that but Lance is the most familiar with this kind of scheme, calling protections, memorizing long play calls, huddling, the short passing game, manipulating defenses with footwork, all stuff Fields did not do much of or at all in college.

I think the fanbase would generally feel better about Fields playing earlier because most people saw him play against elite competition while Lance wasn't even playing in D1. But that doesn't mean he's the most pro ready. Just look at Wentz and Goff coming out. Wentz was far more effective than Goff early on in his career when he didn't have the stats or play against the level of competition that Goff did.

Lance and Fields are two completely different prospects but if I had to guess who would fair better if they had to play early in year one it would be Wilson and Lance because they know the system period. That doesn't take away from the fact that Fields could be the best QB in this class.

Lance running that NDSU offense doesn't somehow make him more prepared than Fields to learn Kyle's offense. Lance had 314 or something around there pass attempts in his college career. A college career played in the FCS for the best team in that division.

I have no doubt the kid is smart and he's got a good base to learn from but Kyle's offense is a challenge for seasoned pros like Matt Ryan who had 100 NFL starts under his belt before Kyle got there and said it took him a good year to get it. Obviously every guy is different but point is having more snaps under center doesn't guarantee someone is ready to take on Kyle's system as a rookie.

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This precisely why people are saying that Lance will need more time than Fields. People aren't just pulling that out their a$$es. Lance played in a heavily run-first offence that didn't rely on his arm to win, against far lessor competition than Fields no less. Neither of these QB's are coming in and starting day one, not in Shanny's scheme. Trust me, Lance will need at least two seasons in Shanny's system before he could start. Fields will need a year. I think Fields is the pick as he's the more pro-ready of the two.

Then explain Jared Goff and Carson Wentz. It's the exact same situation. Goff had far better stats and played against higher competition and Wentz barely threw the ball only late into his college career.

Anyone thinking any of these QBs will be sitting two years is out of their mind considering how much we have invested into this single player and what it means for your team's Super Bowl window to have your starting QB on a rookie deal.

What's to explain? You're acting like Carson Wentz is that much better than Goff?

Not to mention Wentz had almost twice the pass attempts that Lance did when he went to a much better team and with better coaching.

Lance wouldn't be sitting two years but it would be smart for him to sit early on.

Explain how Carson Wentz was much more prepared to play early on in his NFL career when he didn't have the passing attempts or play the level of competition that Goff did.

It was Goff who needed several years to get ready and Wentz who was playing well earlier on. That completely contradicts the notion that pass attempts and level of competition means you're more pro ready.

It's not that hard of a concept. The point is you ultimately don't know who is going to be ready so to claim one player needs x amount of years more than another player when there is a clear example of the opposite being true is nonsense.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Then explain Jared Goff and Carson Wentz. It's the exact same situation. Goff had far better stats and played against higher competition and Wentz barely threw the ball only late into his college career.

Anyone thinking any of these QBs will be sitting two years is out of their mind considering how much we have invested into this single player and what it means for your team's Super Bowl window to have your starting QB on a rookie deal.

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The Rams and Eagles didn't have a QB on their roster that had helped the team reach the Super Bowl, so the situation isn't quite the same.

We don't commit this hard if we aren't ready to replace JG. Kyle's style has been aggressive from playbook install to play calling. He's not going to sit a #3 pick QB for very long. The best experience is to play. His offense may be complicated, but it does make it easier on the QB. We didn't even use Jimmy in the playoffs of our SB run.

This run-game can easily protect a rookie QB as he develops.

i disagree. I think who ever the pick is will sit a year. Jimmy G is a good qb when healthy (notice i didnt say great) and we can win a SB when this team is healthy with him. I dont think any of these 3 qbs will be as good as Jimmy G in year 1 (especially Lance) if we somehow get Wilson then im with you we should start him but the rest of the 3 would benefit sitting a year behind a pro qb

Won't matter Jimmy is likely going to get hurt again during the season and the rook will take over at that point. If we don't trade Jimmy before the season starts.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
All the Fields boys buttholes getting tight after Trey Lance pro day today

That's silly. If Lance demonstrates that he's a better option then he should be the choice. I'm not convinced at this time that is the case. Could change though.

Originally posted by Howlett49:
All the Fields boys buttholes getting tight after Trey Lance pro day today