Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Fields and Jones are the 2 most overhyped QBs in this draft class

Fields is falling in a bunch of mock drafts. Not sure how that's being overhyped. Unless you mean specifically here.

Kiper needs to pump the brakes. Josh Allen has been good for one season out of three. Dude looked like s**t before 2020. Let's see if he can maintain this level of play. That's the real test, not playing good for a single season. The same goes for Herbert. We've had dozens of QBs have a great season or two and then fall off the planet.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Kiper needs to pump the brakes. Josh Allen has been good for one season out of three. Dude looked like s**t before 2020. Let's see if he can maintain this level of play. That's the real test, not playing good for a single season. The same goes for Herbert. We've had dozens of QBs have a great season or two and then fall off the planet.

Same goes for Jimmy

I'll gladly take allen/herbert off their hands lol

Originally posted by Heroism:
Kiper needs to pump the brakes. Josh Allen has been good for one season out of three. Dude looked like s**t before 2020. Let's see if he can maintain this level of play. That's the real test, not playing good for a single season. The same goes for Herbert. We've had dozens of QBs have a great season or two and then fall off the planet.

Well they are 1st and 3rd year QBs and if the 49ers get that kind of production out of the QB position they could win the SB and would have won it last season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Same goes for Jimmy

I'll gladly take allen/herbert off their hands lol

Yep, same goes for Jimmy, which is precisely why nobody, especially 49er fans, should be crowning them. We've seen this before--multiple times. Kaepernick looked insanely good in 2012. Playing QB in the NFL is the hardest thing in professional sports. The grind never ends, the league never stops adjusting to you, and it only gets more difficult to maintain a high level of play with each season. One or two seasons doesn't mean s**t.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Kiper needs to pump the brakes. Josh Allen has been good for one season out of three. Dude looked like s**t before 2020. Let's see if he can maintain this level of play. That's the real test, not playing good for a single season. The same goes for Herbert. We've had dozens of QBs have a great season or two and then fall off the planet.

Who are these dozens of QBs who have put up:

-66% completion, 4336 yards, 31 touchdowns, 98.3 passer rating as a rookie
-69% completion, 4544 yards, 45 total touchdowns, 107.2 passer rating as a 3rd year player

....that have fallen off the planet after?

I know you are probably exaggerating for the sake of making a point, but I honestly am having trouble coming up with ONE example (let alone dozens) of a player falling off the planet after seasons like that.

Carson Wentz literally just got traded.

2017:
60.2% CMP%
3296 yards
33 TDs
7 INTs
101.9 Rating

Originally posted by Heroism:
Carson Wentz literally just got traded.

Wentz had a bad 2020. His 2019 season had 27 touchdowns, 4k yards and a 93 passer rating. That is hardly "falling off the planet." In fact, there is a legion of Niner fans in a certain QB thread in NT that would be nutting their pants for those stats. Is that seriously the best example you can come up with?

Yes, going from that performance to his 2020 is indeed falling off.

Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, Josh Freeman, etc. There's a long list of guys that had a good season or two and then fizzled out. QBing is difficult. Consistency is the true testament of success, not a flash-in-the-pan season.

Off topic but how wild is that Blake Bortles threw 35 TDs, 4.4k yards and rushed for over 250 yards in his Sophomore season? This was with the worst OL in the league with him being the most sacked QB and zero running game. LOL that doesn't even seem real. I vividly remember the discussion of him being in rare air with Kurt Warner and Dan Marino.


Poor Jag's fans thought they had the QB position addressed for the next decade after 2015.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Carson Wentz literally just got traded.

Wentz had a bad 2020. His 2019 season had 27 touchdowns, 4k yards and a 93 passer rating. That is hardly "falling off the planet." In fact, there is a legion of Niner fans in a certain QB thread in NT that would be nutting their pants for those stats. Is that seriously the best example you can come up with?

When Wentz played the 49ers (and won), he was throwing to trash receivers. He threw a dime for a TD that day to Travis Fulgham. The starting receivers were lost for most of the year in Philly. I didn't want Wentz here, but he had plenty of help on his team for a bad 2020.

Hero....Blake Bortles is an excellent comparison. Good example there. But I dont think any of the other names you mentioned had seasons close to as good as the ones Herbert and Allen though.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Yes, going from that performance to his 2020 is indeed falling off.

Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, Josh Freeman, etc. There's a long list of guys that had a good season or two and then fizzled out. QBing is difficult. Consistency is the true testament of success, not a flash-in-the-pan season.

Off topic but how wild is that Blake Bortles threw 35 TDs, 4.4k yards and rushed for over 250 yards in his Sophomore season? This was with the worst OL in the league with him being the most sacked QB and zero running game. LOL that doesn't even seem real. I vividly remember the discussion of him being in rare air with Kurt Warner and Dan Marino.

Blake Bortles Year 2 - 35 pass TD

Only Marino & Warner threw for more TDs in their 2nd YRs: https://t.co/0d4ln7BbLu pic.twitter.com/o651n81Qht

— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) June 15, 2016

Poor Jag's fans thought they had the QB position addressed for the next decade after 2015.

RGIII
Marcus Mariota (yr 2: 61%, 3200 yards, 26/9)

Originally posted by krizay:
RGIII
Marcus Mariota (yr 2: 61%, 3200 yards, 26/9)

injuries

Originally posted by NYniner85:
injuries

Mariota's "fall" was before injuries

Originally posted by Heroism:
Yep, same goes for Jimmy, which is precisely why nobody, especially 49er fans, should be crowning them. We've seen this before--multiple times. Kaepernick looked insanely good in 2012. Playing QB in the NFL is the hardest thing in professional sports. The grind never ends, the league never stops adjusting to you, and it only gets more difficult to maintain a high level of play with each season. One or two seasons doesn't mean s**t.

I don't think it's about crowning anyone...it's simply investing in the most important position in sports. The draft is a crapshoot at just about any position. We've seen it with SF picks. IF you think a kid has top end traits and is coachable go make a move.

I think half the battle is having the proper coaching and roster in place for a high end rookie QB.

If you don't have the guy go invest in the guy...the rookie pay scale makes it so you can move off them if it doesn't work out. s**t we wasted two 1sts in 2017 and still made it to the SB two yrs later.