Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Greg cosell has some concerns with justin fields 🤔another high level traits player but there are concerns with him, issues with recognition, with vision, with elimination and isolation from the pocket. A lot of work to be done with him when it comes to him throwing with the needed timing, recognizing early in the down or pre-snap where the ball needs to go based on the coverage.
can drive the ball with velocity, can make the pace throws. Needs things to be clean and defined to be consistently successful.
will struggle with pressure early in his career - in Indiana game - blitzed a lot and he struggled a ton with it. A bit slow with what he sees - can that be improved at the NFL level?
but... guys that can move around - they play early and they make plays off-schedule and he can do that.
"Fields scares me a little bit" ... "which doesn't mean he won't be a good player - so many variables that go into whether a QB with good traits succeeds or fails - team, scheme, coaching... there are things to be worked through with Fields, and you never know if they will get worked through"

I just find it funny, this kind of in depth analysis isnt done on Lawrence. It seems that all this backlash is done more so to create a gap between Lawrence and everyone else.

Fields had two bad games in 2 years as a starter, both with significant injuries to his offensive line and/or receiving corps... not to mention an injury to his throwing hand which is never mentioned.

Fields had done everything to solidify himself as QB2 at worst.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I just find it funny, this kind of in depth analysis isnt done on Lawrence. It seems that all this backlash is done more so to create a gap between Lawrence and everyone else.

Fields had two bad games in 2 years as a starter, both with significant injuries to his offensive line and/or receiving corps... not to mention an injury to his throwing hand which is never mentioned.

Fields had done everything to solidify himself as QB2 at worst.

What if Lawrence was bleck

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I just find it funny, this kind of in depth analysis isnt done on Lawrence. It seems that all this backlash is done more so to create a gap between Lawrence and everyone else.

Fields had two bad games in 2 years as a starter, both with significant injuries to his offensive line and/or receiving corps... not to mention an injury to his throwing hand which is never mentioned.

Fields had done everything to solidify himself as QB2 at worst.

Just how the draft process works. No different than one QB having excuses made for 2 bad games because he was missing A+talent on the OLINE and WR. While another gets discredited for having an A+ at OL & WR.

Just the way the cookie crumbles

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
What if Lawrence was bleck

Huh

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I just find it funny, this kind of in depth analysis isnt done on Lawrence. It seems that all this backlash is done more so to create a gap between Lawrence and everyone else.

Fields had two bad games in 2 years as a starter, both with significant injuries to his offensive line and/or receiving corps... not to mention an injury to his throwing hand which is never mentioned.

Fields had done everything to solidify himself as QB2 at worst.

Fieldscuses

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
I just find it funny, this kind of in depth analysis isnt done on Lawrence. It seems that all this backlash is done more so to create a gap between Lawrence and everyone else.

Fields had two bad games in 2 years as a starter, both with significant injuries to his offensive line and/or receiving corps... not to mention an injury to his throwing hand which is never mentioned.

Fields had done everything to solidify himself as QB2 at worst.

Fields is getting over analyzed, Which his fine with me...drop him down the boards. Get him in the proper offense with a good HC and he's got a chance to be special.

JTO's study of Fields' film is great. When you compare it to his videos of studying Lance, censor the names and you'd feel like he was talking about the same guy. Elite traits with their arms and ability to break for big gains on the run. However, JTO also breaks down how many times both QBs give up once the first read is gone. Not saying it happened all the time because there are definitely plays where they go to their second or third read, but what frustrated JTO was Fields having all day to throw, first read wasnt open, so he tucked and ran it.

I'm still on the Fields bandwagon. Just like the top 5 QBs, i want any of them mainly because they'd all be threats in Shanahan's offense.

Fields does wait for the 1st read too long, but he never struck me and a tuck it and run kind of guy. He looks "pass first" to me

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
What if Lawrence was bleck

Huh

I find it weird to have to dance around it for fear of offending people, but race is definitely having an input on the draft coverage of these QB's and even the projections on this board.

It's probably more of the stereotype that suggests black QB's are more interested in being mobile than cerebral, than it is racism, but it's certainly happening.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I find it weird to have to dance around it for fear of offending people, but race is definitely having an input on the draft coverage of these QB's and even the projections on this board.

It's probably more of the stereotype that suggests black QB's are more interested in being mobile than cerebral, than it is racism, but it's certainly happening.

What? The most scrutinized QB in this draft is white. You yourself have reservations on Lance.

Fields depends on which side of the trait fence you reside. I personally think the evaluations of all the QBs are fair.

It literally depends on which side of the trait fence you sit.

That said, yea Lawrence could be scrutinized a Lil more but when you have a 3 year resume like his plus the physical traits.... you would have to dive deep and come up with some kind of analytical knit picking to scrutinize him IMO

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I find it weird to have to dance around it for fear of offending people, but race is definitely having an input on the draft coverage of these QB's and even the projections on this board.

It's probably more of the stereotype that suggests black QB's are more interested in being mobile than cerebral, than it is racism, but it's certainly happening.

What? The most scrutinized QB in this draft is white. You yourself have reservations on Lance.

Fields depends on which side of the trait fence you reside. I personally think the evaluations of all the QBs are fair.

It literally depends on which side of the trait fence you sit.

That said, yea Lawrence could be scrutinized a Lil more but when you have a 3 year resume like his plus the physical traits.... you would have to dive deep and come up with some kind of analytical knit picking to scrutinize him IMO

Wasn't aimed at you, your reasons for being on the Mac train are valid, I think its more to do with you putting emphasis on what you've already seen over projections, and its fair.

Look it happens the other way as well, I remember people having to convince others on McCaffrey's & Isabella's athleticism because they're white and shorter.

I just think it should be acknowledged so people can learn to keep an open mind.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Wasn't aimed at you, your reasons for being on the Mac train are valid, I think its more to do with you putting emphasis on what you've already seen over projections, and its fair.

Look it happens the other way as well, I remember people having to convince others on McCaffrey's & Isabella's athleticism because they're white and shorter.

I just think it should be acknowledged so people can learn to keep an open mind.

My comments wasn't really aimed at making it about Mac Jones.

And trust me I know there is stereotypes. But this year I don't believe that to be the case with these QBs

Originally posted by krizay:
My comments wasn't really aimed at making it about Mac Jones.

And trust me I know there is stereotypes. But this year I don't believe that to be the case with these QBs

We'll agree to disagree, back to Fields I completely disagree that he has processing concerns. I saw him dice up Clemson using whole field reads, so I know he can do it.

Part of it is most definitely coaching, would you like to see more? Sure, but let's not forget they were pretty successful doing what they did.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
What if Lawrence was bleck

Huh

I find it weird to have to dance around it for fear of offending people, but race is definitely having an input on the draft coverage of these QB's and even the projections on this board.

It's probably more of the stereotype that suggests black QB's are more interested in being mobile than cerebral, than it is racism, but it's certainly happening.

Ya, I have no doubt that if Lawrence was black that he wouldn't be graded so highly. His draft score has him as high as almost any other player that's ever declared for the draft. If he wasn't white, he would be considered in that Fields type class. Because I personally can't find anything that Lawrence does better than Fields.