Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
What if Lawrence was bleck

Huh

I find it weird to have to dance around it for fear of offending people, but race is definitely having an input on the draft coverage of these QB's and even the projections on this board.

It's probably more of the stereotype that suggests black QB's are more interested in being mobile than cerebral, than it is racism, but it's certainly happening.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Let's talk about Justin Fields and the useless pre-draft discourse about progressions and first reads -- which only seems to come up when we talk about certain quarterbacks. https://t.co/LS7sZhNyVh

— Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) February 22, 2021

Originally posted by krizay:
Again, not trying to turn this into a Mac jones debate but guys on this board said the same thing about him. In fact you posted a tweet that 67% of passes are 1st reads.

So I don't think it's a black and white thing . In this particular case.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Let's talk about Justin Fields and the useless pre-draft discourse about progressions and first reads -- which only seems to come up when we talk about certain quarterbacks. https://t.co/LS7sZhNyVh

— Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) February 22, 2021

Again, not trying to turn this into a Mac jones debate but guys on this board said the same thing about him. In fact you posted a tweet that 67% of passes are 1st reads.

So I don't think it's a black and white thing . In this particular case.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by krizay:
Again, not trying to turn this into a Mac jones debate but guys on this board said the same thing about him. In fact you posted a tweet that 67% of passes are 1st reads.

So I don't think it's a black and white thing . In this particular case.

It's definitely not a black and white thing. That's just something the media always pushes and it's nonsense.

I have my concerns with fields and his tendency to process things slower than what you'd like to see. That doesn't mean he can't but the fact is that's what the tape shows.

he's got the tools but he had some downright awful games this year which is concerning.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by krizay:
Again, not trying to turn this into a Mac jones debate but guys on this board said the same thing about him. In fact you posted a tweet that 67% of passes are 1st reads.

So I don't think it's a black and white thing . In this particular case.

It's definitely not a black and white thing. That's just something the media always pushes and it's nonsense.

I have my concerns with fields and his tendency to process things slower than what you'd like to see. That doesn't mean he can't but the fact is that's what the tape shows.

he's got the tools but he had some downright awful games this year which is concerning.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Lawrence had some awful games to. And it's definitely not a media thing, the mobile, black QB, has always had extra scrutiny on him.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Ever heard of unconscious bias? Some people don't even realise they're doing it, but trust me it's there.

It's always been the case, it's not helped when you have busts like the way Haskins did it.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Ever heard of unconscious bias? Some people don't even realise they're doing it, but trust me it's there.

It's always been the case, it's not helped when you have busts like the way Haskins did it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Let's talk about Justin Fields and the useless pre-draft discourse about progressions and first reads -- which only seems to come up when we talk about certain quarterbacks. https://t.co/LS7sZhNyVh

— Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) February 22, 2021

Originally posted by rathman4481:
Agree to disagree then.

I think Haskins being a huge bust is hurting fields more than anything. Same with Mac Jones being an Alabama qb.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Paxton Lynch had the same label. So did Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manziel.

I think it's less race about race and more about style of play. If you're a QB that takes off and runs a lot, its assumed that you're impatient playing in the pocket and liable to take off too soon. Sometimes that is an accurate judgment, sometimes not.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Paxton Lynch had the same label. So did Baker Mayfield and Johnny Manziel.

I think it's less race about race and more about style of play. If you're a QB that takes off and runs a lot, its assumed that you're impatient playing in the pocket and liable to take off too soon. Sometimes that is an accurate judgment, sometimes not.

I agree with this. Steve Young was even labeled this. Tebow(and rightfully so)