Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

From NFL Now: #Jaguars coach Urban Meyer told me he narrowed the No. 1 pick down to Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and Justin Fields... then put them through zooms. The goal was to find out, is Trevor really the top guy? pic.twitter.com/ssUnHnf4t7

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 27, 2021

Why are we the only ones that seem to be interested in Jones above these guys?

Because we can't get the top two guys.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Better man than me. Pretend Fields was white, and tell me you think anyone would be saying the things they're saying about him. He'd be the #1 overall pick, even over Lawrence.

When in doubt, cry racism.

I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

But everything at this point is perception. Fields hasn't dropped at all. If he falls then I'm sure there are legit reasons why. Lance punches holes into the prejudices theory imo.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Better man than me. Pretend Fields was white, and tell me you think anyone would be saying the things they're saying about him. He'd be the #1 overall pick, even over Lawrence.

When in doubt, cry racism.

I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

Really? Yeah, we have seen this many times before...

Steve McNair was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 1995 NFL Draft
Donvavan McNab, Achilles Smith, Daunte Culpepper went 2,3, and 7 in the 1999 NFL draft
Michael Vick was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft
Byron Leftwich was selected with the 7th overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft 2nd quarter back taken behind Carson Palmer
Vince Young was selected with the third overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
JaMarcus Russell was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft
Cam Newton was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft
RGIII was selected with the 2nd overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft behind Andrew Luck
EJ Manuel was selected with the 16th overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
Jameis Winston was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft
Kyler Murray was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

But everything at this point is perception. Fields hasn't dropped at all. If he falls then I'm sure there are legit reasons why. Lance punches holes into the prejudices theory imo.

It's not just perception. There are actual statements being made by those in and connected to the league, which then permeate through respective fanbases, including ours. You have people in the Jones thread echoing that he's the smartest QB who ever lived and saying that Fields and Lance are slow to process. Which is just ridiculous and not backed up by the tape or advanced statistics.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

From NFL Now: #Jaguars coach Urban Meyer told me he narrowed the No. 1 pick down to Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and Justin Fields... then put them through zooms. The goal was to find out, is Trevor really the top guy? pic.twitter.com/ssUnHnf4t7

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 27, 2021

Why are we the only ones that seem to be interested in Jones above these guys?

Because we can't get the top two guys.

Then the choice should be pretty obvious, because we can get the third guy.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Better man than me. Pretend Fields was white, and tell me you think anyone would be saying the things they're saying about him. He'd be the #1 overall pick, even over Lawrence.

When in doubt, cry racism.

I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

Really? Yeah, we have seen this many times before...

Steve McNair was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 1995 NFL Draft
Donvavan McNab, Achilles Smith, Daunte Culpepper went 2,3, and 7 in the 1999 NFL draft
Michael Vick was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft
Byron Leftwich was selected with the 7th overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft 2nd quarter back taken behind Carson Palmer
Vince Young was selected with the third overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
JaMarcus Russell was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft
Cam Newton was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft
RGIII was selected with the 2nd overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft behind Andrew Luck
EJ Manuel was selected with the 16th overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
Jameis Winston was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft
Kyler Murray was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

Are you trying to make the case that people in the NFL are immune to biases and prejudices? Lol.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

From NFL Now: #Jaguars coach Urban Meyer told me he narrowed the No. 1 pick down to Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and Justin Fields... then put them through zooms. The goal was to find out, is Trevor really the top guy? pic.twitter.com/ssUnHnf4t7

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 27, 2021

Why are we the only ones that seem to be interested in Jones above these guys?

Because we can't get the top two guys.

This should answer why we're potentially smoke screening. Never show too much interest in a prospect you really like

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Better man than me. Pretend Fields was white, and tell me you think anyone would be saying the things they're saying about him. He'd be the #1 overall pick, even over Lawrence.

When in doubt, cry racism.

I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

Really? Yeah, we have seen this many times before...

Steve McNair was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 1995 NFL Draft
Donvavan McNab, Achilles Smith, Daunte Culpepper went 2,3, and 7 in the 1999 NFL draft
Michael Vick was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft
Byron Leftwich was selected with the 7th overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft 2nd quarter back taken behind Carson Palmer
Vince Young was selected with the third overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
JaMarcus Russell was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft
Cam Newton was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft
RGIII was selected with the 2nd overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft behind Andrew Luck
EJ Manuel was selected with the 16th overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
Jameis Winston was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft
Kyler Murray was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

Are you trying to make the case that people in the NFL are immune to biases and prejudices? Lol.

Not at all. But to say that every year is biased, the facts speak for themselves.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Better man than me. Pretend Fields was white, and tell me you think anyone would be saying the things they're saying about him. He'd be the #1 overall pick, even over Lawrence.

When in doubt, cry racism.

I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

Really? Yeah, we have seen this many times before...

Steve McNair was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 1995 NFL Draft
Donvavan McNab, Achilles Smith, Daunte Culpepper went 2,3, and 7 in the 1999 NFL draft
Michael Vick was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft
Byron Leftwich was selected with the 7th overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft 2nd quarter back taken behind Carson Palmer
Vince Young was selected with the third overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
JaMarcus Russell was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft
Cam Newton was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft
RGIII was selected with the 2nd overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft behind Andrew Luck
EJ Manuel was selected with the 16th overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
Jameis Winston was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft
Kyler Murray was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

Are you trying to make the case that people in the NFL are immune to biases and prejudices? Lol.

Not at all. But to say that every year is biased, the facts speak for themselves.

When did I say "every year is biased?" If there is a CLEAR top pick at the QB position who is black, they go in the top picks. I'm talking about when it's close, is when you start hearing the nonsense we're hearing this year.

What point are you trying to make? Do you think Jones is better than Fields and/or Lance?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"You want to find Drew Brees who can move like Lamar Jackson." https://t.co/CWeSAEdBIZ

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) April 27, 2021

JK Dobbins said Fields and Jackson are both equally hard to bring down, but would would give the edge to Jackson in making people miss.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

From NFL Now: #Jaguars coach Urban Meyer told me he narrowed the No. 1 pick down to Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and Justin Fields... then put them through zooms. The goal was to find out, is Trevor really the top guy? pic.twitter.com/ssUnHnf4t7

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 27, 2021

Why are we the only ones that seem to be interested in Jones above these guys?

We ain't. I knew what Kyle meant when he said three top guys. Everyone knows who the consensus top guys are

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Better man than me. Pretend Fields was white, and tell me you think anyone would be saying the things they're saying about him. He'd be the #1 overall pick, even over Lawrence.

When in doubt, cry racism.

I'm not crying racism. But you can't tell me that prejudices and biases aren't playing a part in the evaluation of Fields, Lance, and Jones. We've seen this movie many times before.

Really? Yeah, we have seen this many times before...

Steve McNair was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 1995 NFL Draft
Donvavan McNab, Achilles Smith, Daunte Culpepper went 2,3, and 7 in the 1999 NFL draft
Michael Vick was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2001 NFL Draft
Byron Leftwich was selected with the 7th overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft 2nd quarter back taken behind Carson Palmer
Vince Young was selected with the third overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
JaMarcus Russell was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft
Cam Newton was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft
RGIII was selected with the 2nd overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft behind Andrew Luck
EJ Manuel was selected with the 16th overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft (1st QB Taken)
Jameis Winston was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft
Kyler Murray was selected with the 1st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft

Are you trying to make the case that people in the NFL are immune to biases and prejudices? Lol.

Not at all. But to say that every year is biased, the facts speak for themselves.

When did I say "every year is biased?" If there is a CLEAR top pick at the QB position who is black, they go in the top picks. I'm talking about when it's close, is when you start hearing the nonsense we're hearing this year.

What point are you trying to make? Do you think Jones is better than Fields and/or Lance?

No, I can't tell you who is better. I'm not a talent evaluator in the NFL. I want the best QB to be picked. I don't care who it is. But I have to give the FO the benefit of the doubt that they truly want to win and they have done their homework.

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Better man than me. Pretend Fields was white, and tell me you think anyone would be saying the things they're saying about him. He'd be the #1 overall pick, even over Lawrence.

When in doubt, cry racism.

If Fields somehow falls to 32 then my eyes might be moist but I doubt he lasts long draft night. We're talking a major league top tier talent here

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ninerblood:
I still think its Fields and always has been. Just my gut feeling. Yesterday's presser did not change anything by what they said. They just look like they wanted to get it over with hense the irritated look

I also didn't get anything definitive from yesterday's presser. I watched it, trying to see if the 'Mac to SF is a done deal' was real, and based on what the two said, I didn't hear it.

Everyone over analyzed every word and heard what they wanted to hear....when in truth they said nothing.

Well if it is Fields, than we know they run the tightest ship ever in this modern age of connectivity. That would a tip of the ole' hat from me, but what are the odds of that lol

Kyle said he had his top 3, and he was going to do due diligence on 4 and 5. What if all the speculation that it's between Mac and Trey is the due diligence?