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2021 edge rush prospects

Mar 14, 2021 at 5:18 PM
Originally posted by jersey49er:
Anyone know about Max Roberts ? From BC..

Not really, but he sounds really, really old.....
Mar 16, 2021 at 10:50 PM
Mar 16, 2021 at 11:01 PM
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

COULD this kid be the Simeone Rice that Lynch's been looking for ???
Mar 16, 2021 at 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 40 times are often inflated even at a normal combine. I'm not saying the times aren't accurate but many of the linemen and LBs will drop some weight before running in order to shave a little time off. Then they bulk back up for the strength testing. Guys that big can easily drop 10-15 lbs in a day or two. Boxers often add 10-15 lbs the same day they weigh in. I think they are way over hyped. Even with the receivers we see players who run 4.28 but don't play fast of the field.

Guys used to go out and just run, do the events and move on. Now there's a whole cottage industry of facilities where college players go just to train for the Combine and max out their numbers on the various tests.

Yup all true, and everyone would do the same because it's a fact that better numbers improve draft position which improves that bank account.

Wow, that is eye opening statements. I guess things have changed since thr 49ers did their own combines in the late '80s and early '90s.

I guess there is so much money on the table now that its worth it that they are hiring guys and paying them thousands to train them a five minute job interview/workout event. Wow!
Mar 17, 2021 at 2:18 PM
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

COULD this kid be the Simeone Rice that Lynch's been looking for ???

6'3" 225 lbs?
Mar 18, 2021 at 6:29 PM

Weaver is not the ideal modern edge but he'll be a solid fit as a strong side DE that can stop the run and create some pressure on QBs. Gives me some Brandon Graham vibes in that doesn't get a lot of sacks but is often up in the QB's face.

Mar 19, 2021 at 7:09 AM
I like Perkins in round 2. Smaller than average maybe but he has speed and power moves and uses his hands well. Gets it done in the run game too. He could bulk up a bit, he's got a frame to carry more weight.
Mar 21, 2021 at 5:28 AM

interesting....sounds like 10-yard splits and broad jumps are what coach K is looking at in regards to athletic ability. It's all about explosiveness
Mar 23, 2021 at 12:33 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:

interesting....sounds like 10-yard splits and broad jumps are what coach K is looking at in regards to athletic ability. It's all about explosiveness

Nice. Is Matt Barrows inferring that or does he reference a statement from Kocurek? It makes sense, tho, that short-area explosiveness would be prioritized. I think it's important in general, but a big reason why the wide 9 is so potent for pass rushing is that most tackles panic when dealing with the wide, tilted alignment in Kocurek's front. Tackles end up speeding up their pass set and open their hips up believing they need to alter their landmark and get to it quicker, which causes them to overset, abandon their technique and usually create a three-way go(outside, inside, through you) for the edge rusher. An explosive edge rusher exacerbates these issues for tackles.

the Niners have drafted one edge rusher under Kocurek, and he posted an elite 10-yard split.

[ Edited by Heroism on Mar 23, 2021 at 12:39 AM ]
Mar 23, 2021 at 1:17 AM
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

interesting....sounds like 10-yard splits and broad jumps are what coach K is looking at in regards to athletic ability. It's all about explosiveness

Nice. Is Matt Barrows inferring that or does he reference a statement from Kocurek? It makes sense, tho, that short-area explosiveness would be prioritized. I think it's important in general, but a big reason why the wide 9 is so potent for pass rushing is that most tackles panic when dealing with the wide, tilted alignment in Kocurek's front. Tackles end up speeding up their pass set and open their hips up believing they need to alter their landmark and get to it quicker, which causes them to overset, abandon their technique and usually create a three-way go(outside, inside, through you) for the edge rusher. An explosive edge rusher exacerbates these issues for tackles.

the Niners have drafted one edge rusher under Kocurek, and he posted an elite 10-yard split.


It would be nice if somebody can compile 10 yards splits of the prospective edge rusher draftees and their weight. Because, I think size and strength would help the bull rush part of Kocureck's wide 9 pass rush (the *through you* part).
Mar 23, 2021 at 7:10 AM
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

interesting....sounds like 10-yard splits and broad jumps are what coach K is looking at in regards to athletic ability. It's all about explosiveness

Nice. Is Matt Barrows inferring that or does he reference a statement from Kocurek? It makes sense, tho, that short-area explosiveness would be prioritized. I think it's important in general, but a big reason why the wide 9 is so potent for pass rushing is that most tackles panic when dealing with the wide, tilted alignment in Kocurek's front. Tackles end up speeding up their pass set and open their hips up believing they need to alter their landmark and get to it quicker, which causes them to overset, abandon their technique and usually create a three-way go(outside, inside, through you) for the edge rusher. An explosive edge rusher exacerbates these issues for tackles.

the Niners have drafted one edge rusher under Kocurek, and he posted an elite 10-yard split.


It would be nice if somebody can compile 10 yards splits of the prospective edge rusher draftees and their weight. Because, I think size and strength would help the bull rush part of Kocureck's wide 9 pass rush (the *through you* part).

https://www.mockdraftable.com/

https://www.playerprofiler.com

you got SPARQ rankings as well.

Issue is there's no combine. So gotta take those numbers with a grain of salt.
Mar 23, 2021 at 7:13 AM
man I really hope they don't reach for DE in this draft

I don't see a top 20-25 talent out of this bunch....good depth, just no elite guys. I'd rather wait on EDGE.
Mar 23, 2021 at 8:37 AM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Weaver is not the ideal modern edge but he'll be a solid fit as a strong side DE that can stop the run and create some pressure on QBs. Gives me some Brandon Graham vibes in that doesn't get a lot of sacks but is often up in the QB's face.


Post knee injury weaver provides no juice off the edge. Rather have Jones of the two Pitt guys
Mar 23, 2021 at 8:49 AM
I wish there was an easy choice opposite Bosa at 12, but so far it seems we would be reaching a bit. That doesn't mean the kid wont be a beast either tho.
Mar 23, 2021 at 11:03 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
man I really hope they don't reach for DE in this draft

I don't see a top 20-25 talent out of this bunch....good depth, just no elite guys. I'd rather wait on EDGE.
You know it's gonna happen and half the people on the webzone will probably loose there damn mind and overreact lol. This isn't that good of a edge pass rusher draft class so you better draft one in the 1st round or you might be disappointed. That's why I'm gonna continue to say draft jaelan phillips or azeez ojulari and then you add to your strength and you can rotate guys and hunt qbs in that 4th quarter with fresh guys.
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