QB Class 2021

Originally posted by Heroism:
49ers always target their guy. That's their style. So, if Kyle loves one of these QBs, they'll get him. They're not going to let the board come to them and take the best remaining QB left. That's not how they draft.

If they love Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance or--as much as people wont like it--Mac Jones, they'll go get them.

Someone's been paying attention to how this FO operates. They also typically attack position groups too. Part of their 5-6 year original building plan.

Just curious, how do you guys feel about Myles Brennan? We're along way from 2021, and he does have an injury history that's just like another QB1 we all know, plus Max Johnson is pretty good too, but he was Burrows back up and was expected to take over the role with a seamless transition and then covid happened, and then he tore an abdominal muscle. I'm not saying he's a first rounder, but he does have arguably a better arm and mobility then Burrow did while at LSU when healthy and posted 1100 yards 11 td only 3 ints in only 3 games played last year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Just keep in mind that there's no guarantee they'll love a QB.

And that was my entire point earlier.. If you don't absolutely love a QB or you can't get the guy that you love, then you move on. They don't need to get desperate.

The draft history of teams settling for leftovers at QB or drafting a QB because they happened to be the top remaining QB on the board is not a good one.

Of the top four QBs in this draft, historically speaking its likely that you'll have one or two that are franchise QBs, one that is a so so starter and one that is a complete bust.

Another way to look at it is that at least 2 of these guys will bust, so sending the least amount of capital is preferable.

We can swallow drafting at #12 and missing, can we swallow a huge trade up and miss?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Another way to look at it is that at least 2 of these guys will bust, so sending the least amount of capital is preferable.

We can swallow drafting at #12 and missing, can we swallow a huge trade up and miss?

Somebody's getting fired.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Another way to look at it is that at least 2 of these guys will bust, so sending the least amount of capital is preferable.

We can swallow drafting at #12 and missing, can we swallow a huge trade up and miss?

Somebody's getting fired.

Don't think it would just be 1

Originally posted by Heroism:
Just keep in mind that there's no guarantee they'll love a QB.

This is THE most important point. Kyle. Who, if any, does Kyle really really really want to go get and start all over again from scratch on training and developing a QB?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And that was my entire point earlier.. If you don't absolutely love a QB or you can't get the guy that you love, then you move on. They don't need to get desperate.

The draft history of teams settling for leftovers at QB or drafting a QB because they happened to be the top remaining QB on the board is not a good one.

Of the top four QBs in this draft, historically speaking its likely that you'll have one or two that are franchise QBs, one that is a so so starter and one that is a complete bust.

And to assume they won't like one is foolish as well. This is a good crop of QBs. They're not linked to Jimmy moneywise anymore and he's missed 53% of his starts since coming here. You can't have a sustainable winning franchise with that.

historically speaking when a top QB get's drafted to a horrible team with a bad coaching staff (which usually are the teams drafting high), the likelihood of them turning into good starting QBs aren't that great.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Another way to look at it is that at least 2 of these guys will bust, so sending the least amount of capital is preferable.

We can swallow drafting at #12 and missing, can we swallow a huge trade up and miss?

Somebody's getting fired.

and if we have another sub .500 season, Jimmy plays bad or is hurt, a couple of the top QBs go on to have good seasons...you telling me no one is getting canned?

That's one winning season in 5 yrs if it goes down like that...if you at least have a rookie QB that looks like he's something special that gives the ownership hope IMO. You're not gonna have a idea if he's a miss next yr.

You will know if you f**k up and miss the playoffs...again.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Howell looks absolutely legit. He is Trubisky with better tools and football IQ. Strong is already a very good QB prospect. Rattler with one more strong season could be the top prospect. He's in the same mold as Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield. Corral has a ton of room to ascend if he progresses and Slovis just needs to get back to his previous high level of play. Not a huge fan of Desmond Ridder but he could easily move into the discussion with a big season. Daniels of course and then you also have Tyler Slough at Oregon who could come out.

The amount of QB talent that will potentially be available next year is just one reason why I don't think the 49ers have to panic and make a desperation move for one this year. If there's no one that they are in love with and no trade that makes sense, just keep building the roster and swing for the fences next year.

You could be right and maybe those guys take that next step this upcoming season to solidify their status as a 1st round pick, but looking at it on paper, I don't they're anywhere close to the top 5 QBs of this year. Maybe Im just overvaluing the QBs in this upcoming draft since they were so heavily televised (minus Lance), but I feel a healthy Davis Mills intrigues me more than Rattler.

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Just keep in mind that there's no guarantee they'll love a QB.

This is THE most important point. Kyle. Who, if any, does Kyle really really really want to go get and start all over again from scratch on training and developing a QB?

I'll play devils advocate here and say if he doesn't like doing that he should be a coach lol

You are probably right and I basically agree with you. I just think this entire mantra of him not liking to develop a rookie qb for his system is kind of a knock on his coaching credits and his system.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

More Sage Rosenfels on how Kyle Shanahan views offensive linemen.

Example: Shanahan moved Brown for McGlinchey, who's smaller and more athletic, but a worse pass-blocker.

Can't imagine Shanahan completely changes his OL view point. pic.twitter.com/aMvBaGVNex

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 26, 2021

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If this was true, he wouldn't have went with pocket passer of mobile guy at most of his stops.

Cousins over RGIII
Hoyer over Manziel
Everyone over Kaep

You can find OL that great at wide zone and pass protection, but you need to draft them in the first round. Big and athletic exists(cough*Tristan Wirfs), but you have to draft them early. The deeper you go into the draft, the more flawed players are.

Originally posted by Heroism:
You can find OL that great at wide zone and pass protection, but you need to draft them in the first round. Big and athletic exists(cough*Tristan Wirfs), but you have to draft them early. The deeper you go into the draft, the more flawed players are.

Or just steal the Packers and Saints scouts.

Green Bay in particular had David Bakhtiari who was drafted in the 4th round, Elgton Jenkins who was a 2nd rounder, Corey Linsley who was a 5th rounder, Lane Taylor who was undrafted and Billy Turner who was a 3rd rounder.

Shanahan Senior also had success with a bunch of later round picks.

The guys that tend to hit that were later round picks are often smaller school linemen who get overlooked due to size or questions about level of competition.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Or just steal the Packers and Saints scouts.

Green Bay in particular had David Bakhtiari who was drafted in the 4th round, Elgton Jenkins who was a 2nd rounder, Corey Linsley who was a 5th rounder, Lane Taylor who was undrafted and Billy Turner who was a 3rd rounder.

Shanahan Senior also had success with a bunch of later round picks.

The guys that tend to hit that were later round picks are often smaller school linemen who get overlooked due to size or questions about level of competition.

For sure. The fact that Kyle hasn't been able to draft and groom his own OL is pretty surprising. That's one of the tenets of this system, and we're going into year 5 of the Shanny system without a single promising, drafted-and-developed OL on the roster. That definitely needs to change. Also, they need to take more chances. Kyle has only drafted 2 OL outside the first in 4 drafts.

Packers are becoming the OL version of the Steelers with WRs. It seems like every year they have some dude drafted on day 3 that's playing at a high level.