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Originally posted by krizay:
If this was true, he wouldn't have went with pocket passer of mobile guy at most of his stops.
Cousins over RGIII
Hoyer over Manziel
Everyone over Kaep
Originally posted by Heroism:
For sure. The fact that Kyle hasn't been able to draft and groom his own OL is pretty surprising. That's one of the tenets of this system, and we're going into year 5 of the Shanny system without a single promising, drafted-and-developed OL on the roster. That definitely needs to change. Also, they need to take more chances. Kyle has only drafted 2 OL outside the first in 4 drafts.
Packers are becoming the OL version of the Steelers with WRs. It seems like every year they have some dude drafted on day 3 that's playing at a high level.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
More Sage Rosenfels on how Kyle Shanahan views offensive linemen.
— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 26, 2021
Example: Shanahan moved Brown for McGlinchey, who's smaller and more athletic, but a worse pass-blocker.
Can't imagine Shanahan completely changes his OL view point. pic.twitter.com/aMvBaGVNex
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Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Just keep in mind that there's no guarantee they'll love a QB.
This is THE most important point. Kyle. Who, if any, does Kyle really really really want to go get and start all over again from scratch on training and developing a QB?
I'll play devils advocate here and say if he doesn't like doing that he should be a coach lol
You are probably right and I basically agree with you. I just think this entire mantra of him not liking to develop a rookie qb for his system is kind of a knock on his coaching credits and his system.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Well duh...which is why HIS chosen QB's get smashed 120 times a year, his OL's suck in PP but they can run block exceptionally well. As a result, his QB "pass protection" is PA and excellent first-read scheme. That's not going to change...ever.
Now, let's see if he's willing to go get a more mobile and instinctual QB with fresh legs and good health.
Maybe we can go get Mike McCarthy because he had a good OL err Aaron Rogers. Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah. Agreed.
But my point is that he's invested so much is doing that already and has practically burned himself out by also being a HC. Having to start all over with a rookie in a system that takes a few years to master (once playing), I'm sure it's on his mind. I'm sure he loves it but to develop a QB takes a lot of time and commitment. If it's the right thing, he'll do it.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by krizay:
If this was true, he wouldn't have went with pocket passer of mobile guy at most of his stops.
Cousins over RGIII
Hoyer over Manziel
Everyone over Kaep
He actually wanted a Wilson over Kirk, but Wilson got drafted. He wanted Carr over Manziel (who's mobile).
kaep just isn't a good QB.
it's about being able to protect yourself and move around... it's not about being Lamar Jackson .
Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Interesting discussion here. We know each one of us has a QB we like.. the question then if you're going to make an educated guess who do you see Kyle likes based from his past QB that he worked with and the traits he's looking for from this class?
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Interesting discussion here. We know each one of us has a QB we like.. the question then if you're going to make an educated guess who do you see Kyle likes based from his past QB that he worked with and the traits he's looking for from this class?
Based on his history it's Mac Jones, but reading into some of his more recent interviews I think he'd like Fields.
I think he'd like what Zach Wilson was doing under center and though I think he'd also appreciate it for Lance, I think he'd be wary of how much he ran the ball.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Well duh...which is why HIS chosen QB's get smashed 120 times a year, his OL's suck in PP but they can run block exceptionally well. As a result, his QB "pass protection" is PA and excellent first-read scheme. That's not going to change...ever.
Now, let's see if he's willing to go get a more mobile and instinctual QB with fresh legs and good health.
Welp NC go fire Kyle right now then lol. He doesn't fit your agenda on what matters so there's no possible way Kyle can be successful in the NFL
Maybe if Jimmy would have ran out of bounds instead of trying to get any extra yard we wouldn't be talking about this.
Originally posted by evil:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah. Agreed.
But my point is that he's invested so much is doing that already and has practically burned himself out by also being a HC. Having to start all over with a rookie in a system that takes a few years to master (once playing), I'm sure it's on his mind. I'm sure he loves it but to develop a QB takes a lot of time and commitment. If it's the right thing, he'll do it.
The good news is we have a Jimmy G, and a rookie can sit behind him for a year. It gives Kyle a year to spend on teaching and developing the rookie if there is one he likes in this class.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
This.
And honestly kyle has only been in a position to draft a QB in the NFL since 2017. He's drafted one guy and it was a backend 3rd rd pick.
I don't think we truly know what kyle wants in a QB right at this pt outside of the obvious stuff.
I mean I thought Stafford would have been everything he would want at QB (based on all the stuff we've read perviously) they didn't even throw an offer out there.
who knows
Originally posted by NCommand:
Fair. He grew up a massive Steve Young fan too. He didn't keep Kaep, didn't bother much with Mahomes or Watson, liked Trubisky, loves You like that! BeatHard fit his "mold" from a pro style offense.
Who knows. Maybe we're about to find out.
Originally posted by krizay:
Rumors we are interested in Andy Dalton. Not the following QBs. RGIII, Tyrol Taylor, Cam Newton, Kaepernick, Andy Dalton. We likely won't get Dalton but it will be a similar QB.
Deep down we know what his mold is. Some are just tricking themselves into thinking otherwise.
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by krizay:
Rumors we are interested in Andy Dalton. Not the following QBs. RGIII, Tyrol Taylor, Cam Newton, Kaepernick, Andy Dalton. We likely won't get Dalton but it will be a similar QB.
Deep down we know what his mold is. Some are just tricking themselves into thinking otherwise.
I agree with you, but don't know if this is the best piece of evidence. As a backup, you want someone to protect the ball and run the scheme. At this stage, Dalton is also just simply a better QB than RG3, Newton, and likely Kaep