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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes going "all in" means waiting until the 2nd to "get your guy" lol. Worked out real well too
I guess they went all in with Nate Davis in the 5th rd or Jeff Driskel in the 6th according to you
Originally posted by krizay:
They traded up to get their guy. Your whole premise has been GET YOUR GUY.
Whether it works out or not is irrelevant in this context. Though one can argue it did
Originally posted by NYniner85:
So moving up for Beathard is the same as moving up for say Watson like the Texans did...is that what you're telling me? Moving up for Pettis is the same as moving up for Julio I guess too? Nah dude that's not apples to apples. Giving up some day 3 picks isn't close to the same as going all in on a top end guy.
and it's completely relevant, they pass on top tier guys because it's just too "risky" for this team, they've been historically prudent....Always the bridesmaid never the bride....and no it didn't work, Kap started in what 58 games out a possible 100? He completed less than 60% of his passes, sub .500 record. He did more than most 2nd rd picks, didn't last though...it's a totally different discussion but his career lasted for 6 yrs (based on a multitude of things).
For once man up and make a play....enough p***yfooting around and pretending you're smarter than everyone and can draft joe blow later. Enough talk about "next years draft class"
End of the day if they did enough we wouldn't be talking about QBs right now.
Originally posted by krizay:
Again! They traded up to get THEIR GUY! whether you think he is top talent or not. They got the guy THEY wanted.
We all know why it only lasted 6 years.
As for your inclusion of all the other trade situations....
End of the day if Garoppolo stayed healthy we wouldn't be having this discussion. They did realize their short comings with the back up QB situation which they plan to rectify this year.
This appears to be more hyperbole to get hammer your want for a QB. You tend to do that this time of year
Originally posted by NYniner85:
AGAIN they've bypassed getting that top talent because they've been so tight about giving up what's needed to get the job done.
regardless of the non-football stuff, KAP was NOT playing at a high level down the road. That's simply the truth of it and I'm taking about two decades worth of b******t, not just him.
if Jimmy stays healthy this is still a discussion....if you don't have a top 10 QB, you should be looking for one. Jimmy isn't that. You don't win SBs and stay contenders yr after yr with avg QB play.
If you want to pretend like they've done enough, good for you. Proofs in the pudding over 115 games worth of backup trash. Literally brief glimpses of above avg QB and that's it. ONE 1st rd pick in two decades.
I'd rather swing an miss on a top end QB prospect, than sit on my ass and pretend everything is cool...it's not like there's home run after home run with 1st rd picks that aren't QBs the past two decades in SF.
What's funny with you is you seem to care more about me and trying to prove me wrong, then actually focusing on what should matter for this team moving forward...you can't even have a decent conversation with me.
Originally posted by krizay:
In all seriousness, the past 16 years they've done more than you are giving them credit for
Originally posted by NYniner85:
So moving up for Beathard is the same as moving up for say Watson like the Texans did...is that what you're telling me? Moving up for Pettis is the same as moving up for Julio I guess too? Nah dude that's not apples to apples. Giving up some day 3 picks isn't close to the same as going all in on a top end guy.
and it's completely relevant, they pass on top tier guys because it's just too "risky" for this team, they've been historically prudent....Always the bridesmaid never the bride....and no it didn't work, Kap started in what 58 games out a possible 100? He completed less than 60% of his passes, sub .500 record. He did more than most 2nd rd picks, didn't last though...it's a totally different discussion but his career lasted for 6 yrs (based on a multitude of things).
For once man up and make a play....enough p***yfooting around and pretending you're smarter than everyone and can draft joe blow later. Enough talk about "next years draft class"
End of the day if they did enough we wouldn't be talking about QBs right now.
Originally posted by Bellaleo:
You need to be unplugged from the mothership for a couple minutes in order to be taken seriously
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by krizay:
They traded up to get their guy. Your whole premise has been GET YOUR GUY.
Whether it works out or not is irrelevant in this context. Though one can argue it did
So moving up for Beathard is the same as moving up for say Watson like the Texans did...is that what you're telling me? Moving up for Pettis is the same as moving up for Julio I guess too? Nah dude that's not apples to apples. Giving up some day 3 picks isn't close to the same as going all in on a top end guy.
and it's completely relevant, they pass on top tier guys because it's just too "risky" for this team, they've been historically prudent....Always the bridesmaid never the bride....and no it didn't work, Kap started in what 58 games out a possible 100? He completed less than 60% of his passes, sub .500 record. He did more than most 2nd rd picks, didn't last though...it's a totally different discussion but his career lasted for 6 yrs (based on a multitude of things).
For once man up and make a play....enough p***yfooting around and pretending you're smarter than everyone and can draft joe blow later. Enough talk about "next years draft class"
End of the day if they did enough we wouldn't be talking about QBs right now.
Originally posted by Bellaleo:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
So moving up for Beathard is the same as moving up for say Watson like the Texans did...is that what you're telling me? Moving up for Pettis is the same as moving up for Julio I guess too? Nah dude that's not apples to apples. Giving up some day 3 picks isn't close to the same as going all in on a top end guy.
and it's completely relevant, they pass on top tier guys because it's just too "risky" for this team, they've been historically prudent....Always the bridesmaid never the bride....and no it didn't work, Kap started in what 58 games out a possible 100? He completed less than 60% of his passes, sub .500 record. He did more than most 2nd rd picks, didn't last though...it's a totally different discussion but his career lasted for 6 yrs (based on a multitude of things).
For once man up and make a play....enough p***yfooting around and pretending you're smarter than everyone and can draft joe blow later. Enough talk about "next years draft class"
End of the day if they did enough we wouldn't be talking about QBs right now.
You need to be unplugged from the mothership for a couple minutes in order to be taken seriously
Originally posted by 9erred:
My problem is I like Mac Jones, but he was surrounded by superior talent at Alabama. How many Alabama quarterbacks have been stars in the NFL?? Sadly the kid from ND State might make a better pro??
QB is so tough in round 1. From 2009 to 2016 22 qb's were drafted and ZERO, nada are with drafting team. Throw in the Texans and Jets qb's getting shopped, and it is a risky business. That being said QB is the computer chip of the team. Keep drafting and praying.
Originally posted by 9erred:
My problem is I like Mac Jones, but he was surrounded by superior talent at Alabama. How many Alabama quarterbacks have been stars in the NFL?? Sadly the kid from ND State might make a better pro??
QB is so tough in round 1. From 2009 to 2016 22 qb's were drafted and ZERO, nada are with drafting team. Throw in the Texans and Jets qb's getting shopped, and it is a risky business. That being said QB is the computer chip of the team. Keep drafting and praying.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I took him quite seriously. Cause on this he's right. Take a risk every two or three years until you land an unquestioned TRUE Franchise guy. Or live in QB purgatory like we currently are with Jimmy "average at best, if he's even healthy at all" Garoppolo.
Originally posted by 9erred:
My problem is I like Mac Jones, but he was surrounded by superior talent at Alabama. How many Alabama quarterbacks have been stars in the NFL?? Sadly the kid from ND State might make a better pro??
QB is so tough in round 1. From 2009 to 2016 22 qb's were drafted and ZERO, nada are with drafting team. Throw in the Texans and Jets qb's getting shopped, and it is a risky business. That being said QB is the computer chip of the team. Keep drafting and praying.
