QB Class 2021

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
if kyle wants a better runner and more of a project, take lance

if kyle wants a better passer with great mobility, take fields

If Kyle wants John Elway, take Trey Lance

If Kyle wants poor man's Russell Wilson, take Fields

Lance & Elway?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
if kyle wants a better runner and more of a project, take lance

if kyle wants a better passer with great mobility, take fields

If Kyle wants John Elway, take Trey Lance

If Kyle wants poor man's Russell Wilson, take Fields

Lance & Elway?

Fields: bigger, faster version of Russ

Originally posted by Heroism:
I'm surprised they don't make their videos more clickbaity by titling them "former NFL scout" with Middlekauff. Anyways, he's not buying the Mac Jone stuff.

Like Middlekauff said this makes sense on why the Mac Jones stuff is getting floated around....they don't want a team to jump them.

Fowler on ESPN this morning said there are absolutely no leaks coming out of SF. All he's heard is that they're still doing meetings and all these top 5 QBs are a possible pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fowler on ESPN this morning said there are absolutely no leaks coming out of SF. All he's heard is that they're still doing meetings and all these top 5 QBs are a possible pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fowler on ESPN this morning said there are absolutely no leaks coming out of SF. All he's heard is that they're still doing meetings and all these top 5 QBs are a possible pick.

The Mac Jones thing was nonsense from start. He may be the third pick at the end of the month but don´t tell me the same "sources" that didn´t know s**t about the QB situation of the Niners before the trade, now all of sudden know Mac Jones is the guy.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
if kyle wants a better runner and more of a project, take lance

if kyle wants a better passer with great mobility, take fields

If Kyle wants John Elway, take Trey Lance

If Kyle wants poor man's Russell Wilson, take Fields

Lance & Elway?

Fields: bigger, faster version of Russ

NO. Russ and Fields' game is completely different.

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
if kyle wants a better runner and more of a project, take lance

if kyle wants a better passer with great mobility, take fields

If Kyle wants John Elway, take Trey Lance

If Kyle wants poor man's Russell Wilson, take Fields

Lance & Elway?

Fields: bigger, faster version of Russ

NO. Russ and Fields' game is completely different.

Hmmm. Apparently not, since Fields himself says that who he models his game after. Lol.

"Fields has said in the past that he's modeled his game after Russell Wilson, and that's who I keep coming back to for comparison. I especially see Wilson when Fields takes off and runs when a play breaks down, as well as when he uncorks a deep ball and connects through a tight window. A wrinkle is that Fields is bigger than Wilson, and it's believed that Wilson fell in the draft in part because of his size. That's not going to happen to Fields"

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Fowler on ESPN this morning said there are absolutely no leaks coming out of SF. All he's heard is that they're still doing meetings and all these top 5 QBs are a possible pick.

The Mac Jones thing was nonsense from start. He may be the third pick at the end of the month but don´t tell me the same "sources" that didn´t know s**t about the QB situation of the Niners before the trade, now all of sudden know Mac Jones is the guy.

It was the most obvious smoke screen ever and everyone was gobbling it up like it was true.

Heroism turned me on to Max Browne (QB at USC/Pitt/Analyst) and his YouTube breakdowns and I love them as they are objective and as a former QB himself, he captures all the nuances of the position as well as how they could translate to the NFL.

Mac Jones:
Positives:
• Top intermediate route thrower. Tom Brady comp because of this. From 7-20 yards: PA over, digs routes, corner routes, etc. Most ideal with a run-first PA team.
• Great on timing and throwing of open routes
• Film; understands why the play is called and where to go
• Can layer the routes (great touch over the LB and in front of the S)
• Elite touch passer (all levels) esp. on 3rd downs and does it consistently
• Leverage; another term for proper ball placement away from the defender that's advantageous for the receiver and helps with optimal RAC
• NFL throws despite top receiving talent
• Execution; just executes the concepts exactly as drawn up. Very few poor/over throws or mistakes or being fooled by the defense

Areas of Concerns:
• Long base. Over-striding. This can lead to poor foot mechanics, timing, low velocity or inaccurate throws. It needs to be more compact. This is an area even he stated he needs to continue to work on (self-aware)
• Lack of mobility; not going to run zone reads or a large number of bootlegs and when they are called, it'll need to be a quick high-low concept with check-downs. No issues with PA though (QB's back to the defense too)
• He's gotta remember where his check downs are. Don't take sacks
• Unknown; not much film on quick passes like slants, outs and hitches. Not the bubbles or spokes but the timing on the quick routes in reading CB's and LB's right away and getting the ball out accurately with precise timing. He did them but there wasn't much film on this. Part of that was because his downfield game was great and they didn't need to do this because if the running success on first down.
• Struggles with throwing on the run. Not fluid. Poor with off schedule plays.
• Only 17 starts; not a ton of reps

Other Notes:
• His offense was built to run on first downs and running passing concepts off that. He was asked to do a lot on 3rd downs and RZ as a result.
• He especially needs to go to a team with a great defense, running game and play makers but could win you Superbowls and be your FQB for 15 years
• Intangibles are very impressive; self-aware of areas to work on, who he is (genuine) and the talent around him. Humble. Stayed at Alabama. Leader.
• Original pick 20-30 to stash for a year or two. Sit him.

Trey Lance:
Positives:
• Most unique landscape
• Elite arm strength
• Mobility/Athleticism; can handle hits. Poor man's Cam Newton but who can't run over a LB
• Strong in the pocket (won't go down easily) like Big Ben
• Looks pretty. Video game look. Robotic.
• Good under C, great for an OZ team with a FB and deep ball targets

Areas of Concerns:
• Designed runs; he's not an athlete to RPO at the NFL level; like Jalen Hurts now
• Tons of QB runs esp. on 3rd downs. What happens if he has to rely on his arm in the NFL?
• Longer motion, dip down and around motion is enough to make you think of Tim Tebow (not that bad, though). Allows for lots of batted balls.
• Processing speed/missed reads; not decision making (0 INT's). Often tried deep on mistakes. Knowing where to go on blitzes and high-low issues
• Accuracy issues (not a strength and not a weakness)
• How deep was his playbook? Saw the same concepts on film: tons of seam routes, seam concepts, PA flood concepts and QB designed runs

Zack Wilson:
Positives:
• Smooth, clean, confident QB. Awesome fade/9/deep thrower; back shoulder, up and down; effortless. Great arm strength
• Excellent mobility but doesn't rely on it. True last resort. Pocket movement is great
• Efficient QB. Great growth. No errant, inaccurate throws and limited turnovers. Big jump in accuracy
• Can do everything at NFL

Areas of Concerns:
• Surgeries (thumb/shoulder)
• Level of competition
• Complacent with footwork
• Accuracy concerns; can miss by a lot and not give the receiver a chance when he does miss or is off
• Not playing within the structure. Too many off schedule plays in trying to do too much. Receivers had to win a lot of 50/50 balls. Hero mentality. Pressure might force mistakes at NFL
• Average level of difficulty on throws was low. Very tight windows and throwing open. Receivers always won.

Justin Fields:
Positives:
• Excellent arm strength
• Motion is smooth. Efficient. Strong upper and lower body and usually in sync
• Mobility like Russell Wilson. Running is a last resort and runs safely. Dak Prescot and Russell Wilson hybrid
• Touch ball accuracy esp. on deep 30+ balls. Very catchable throws. Drives it too in tight windows.

Areas of Concerns:
• Blitz recognition and processing speed struggles. Missed shots, check downs, etc. Ends up running when he doesn't have too. Missed progressions. Gotta make them pay. Knowing when to throw and where to throw in routes (i.e. earlier vs. later); example, looks to high when design is for underneath. Balls put in jeopardy
• Tries to do too much which pops up way too often. Struggles staying within the system. Confidence in self to do everything because he's a better athlete than everyone else (could be an issue at NFL).
• Pocket awareness (moving between the T's, efficient movements while keeping eyes down field). Anti-TB12 (no wasted movements). Not helping OL out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I'm surprised they don't make their videos more clickbaity by titling them "former NFL scout" with Middlekauff. Anyways, he's not buying the Mac Jone stuff.

Like Middlekauff said this makes sense on why the Mac Jones stuff is getting floated around....they don't want a team to jump them.

#Jets coaching staff really all in on picking Zach Wilson per @CBSSports but some in the front office want to keep Sam Darnold #NFL #NFLDraftNews #nflrumors #nflfootball pic.twitter.com/pQ9dqqlRRm

— NFL Rumors (@nflrums) April 3, 2021

This was something Max noted too...thinks the Jets may keep Sam as he'd be in this "top 5 class" as well today and they may not want to start over again.

Maiocco says don't be shocked if they move up to 2

Originally posted by Heroism:
Maiocco says don't be shocked if they move up to 2

It was a shock when SF moved from 12 to 3. IMO, it would be less surprising if they moved from 3 to 2.https://t.co/fvAZXjXzd2

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) April 3, 2021

Phoenix - "gotta secure Mac Jones"

^ So if it does come down to Jones or Lance (hypothetical) in-house decision, which one would be best after a full year of sitting?

Originally posted by Heroism:
Maiocco says don't be shocked if they move up to 2

It was a shock when SF moved from 12 to 3. IMO, it would be less surprising if they moved from 3 to 2.https://t.co/fvAZXjXzd2

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) April 3, 2021

I've been expecting this!