WITH THE 12TH PICK OF THE 2021 DRAFT...

Draft Lance at 15

Originally posted by jacklegniner:

Our thoughts are normally similar. If that's all it cost us, I would be fine with the trade up as well. But as of right now Wilson or Fields sounds like trading up to the top 3. That's a lot of picks.

I wish there were more DE's and DB's or even a free ranging safety at the top of the draft but as of now I don't see it.

Not top of draft but a 2nd or 3td rounder possibly

Picking at 15 you have a chance to get the 2nd best guy at his position.

If the 2nd best corner is there and the 5th best QB, you go for value.

I would bet my house that 49ers brass doesn't sell the farm for a QB this draft.

But I don't want to ruin anyone's party. Have fun with it. Mock drafts are fun and entertaining.

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Picking at 15 you have a chance to get the 2nd best guy at his position.

If the 2nd best corner is there and the 5th best QB, you go for value.

I would bet my house that 49ers brass doesn't sell the farm for a QB this draft.

But I don't want to ruin anyone's party. Have fun with it. Mock drafts are fun and entertaining.

This would be the year to move up and try to get that QB that is so much needed in what 20+ years

Hopefully getting the right QB and being on a cheap contract can help keep this team intact and possibly get better

I don't like the idea of drafting a QB in rd 1 unless we cut Jimmy and sign a mid level FA as a stop gap. If we take this approach, we would at least have the cash saved from releasing Jimmy on a difference making FA.
If we do go this route, I'd be all for Mac Jones.

Originally posted by krizay:
Not top of draft but a 2nd or 3td rounder possibly

Nice! I like it so far. The safeties rated in rd 1 don't look the part for me. But it's still early

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Picking at 15 you have a chance to get the 2nd best guy at his position.

If the 2nd best corner is there and the 5th best QB, you go for value.

I would bet my house that 49ers brass doesn't sell the farm for a QB this draft.

But I don't want to ruin anyone's party. Have fun with it. Mock drafts are fun and entertaining.

This would be the year to move up and try to get that QB that is so much needed in what 20+ years

Hopefully getting the right QB and being on a cheap contract can help keep this team intact and possibly get better

This is why the draft is my favorite event of the year. Teams also have to kind of guess which team is interested in which player. The Bears got worried that year they traded up with us for Mitch Trubisky. But they were really bidding against themselves. Watson and Mahomes went after Mitch. So the best guy went 3rd and the worst got traded up for.

The same thing happened when it was Robert Quinn, Aldon Smith and JJ Watt. Watt got picked last i believe. I was a big Robert Quinn fan and he got drafted at like 5? Niners took Aldon. I was fine with him but had my heart set on Quinn. Watt was probably the best out of the group. Aldon kind of ruined his career. Quinn the top edge rusher was just ok, never lived up to what I was hoping.

I guess my point is that everyone's board is different so it 4 QB's might be gone but your number might still be there.
I currently have the QB's as 1. Lawrence 2. Wilson 3. Mac Jones

Most other boards probably have Fields at 2 and Trey Lance at 4?

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

Picking at 15 you have a chance to get the 2nd best guy at his position.

If the 2nd best corner is there and the 5th best QB, you go for value.

I would bet my house that 49ers brass doesn't sell the farm for a QB this draft.

But I don't want to ruin anyone's party. Have fun with it. Mock drafts are fun and entertaining.

If you believe a prospect is a FQB, it trumps all.

And if 4 QB's go before, that 5th guy may not be the 5th guy on your board. Perhaps he is QB2 or QB3 on your board.

If we can get Jimmy to improve his mechanics and get the Eastern Illinois swag back. Draft Ridder who needs to be developed but with huge uoside I think would be the way to go allowing us to get the best CB,OL or ER available with the first couple picks!

Originally posted by fip24:

I don't like the idea of drafting a QB in rd 1 unless we cut Jimmy and sign a mid level FA as a stop gap. If we take this approach, we would at least have the cash saved from releasing Jimmy on a difference making FA.
If we do go this route, I'd be all for Mac Jones.

Yeah, no. Mac Jones is nothing special folks!

Originally posted by lp1986:

I think the worst thing the 49ers can do is "rationalize" their way into selecting Mac Jones or Kyle Trask in the first round. As 2nd or 3rd rounders these guys make sense...but taking them in the 1st would be redundant, if not crazy, because the 49ers already have a player like them in Jimmy G.

To me, QB pecking order in this draft class is
1) Trevor Lawrence - far and away the best prospect; as close to a lock as it gets.
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2) Zach Wilson - maybe the most pure thrower of the football we've seen in a long time, but questions about competition and size.
3) Justin Fields - has all the tools and the numbers against good competition but...he's from Ohio St...
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4) Trey Lance - incredibly small sample size but arguably the most talented passer in the class not named Lawrence.
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5) Mac Jones - elite timing and anticipation, great accuracy, including on deep balls, but very middle of the road arm and is purely a pocket passer.
6) Kyle Trask - slightly better arm but slightly less accurate than Jones. Otherwise, they are similar prospects.

There are four tiers of top QBs in this class. Everyone ranked #1 through #4 CAN become a franchise QB because the tools are there; arm talent, mobility; leadership, etc. The difference is purely in the perceived risk profile based on their experience and projection. You can justify taking someone like Lance in the top 10 because if you think you can develop him, the raw materials are there to have someone elite.

But dropping a first round pick on Mac Jones or Kyle Trask for the 49ers is simply foolish. The upside for these two players is Kirk Cousins or...Jimmy G. Average to slightly above average starters who will keep you competitive, and maybe can even help win a Super Bowl, but they're not players who single-handedly elevate their teams.

There are several teams who would love to have that given how much bad QB play there is in this league. Think the Redskins would take Mac Jones yesterday? They'd be in the playoffs. But the 49ers don't need to burn a first round pick on someone like Jimmy G because they already have him. He can be maddeningly inconsistent he doesn't have a good deep ball, but he's someone you can win with; someone teammates adore and someone who knows the offense.

To me, the calculus for the 49ers is clear. You do your homework on Wilson, Fields and Lance, and if you're convinced one of them is your guy for the next 15 years, you bet the farm and go get them. If not, you stick with Jimmy G and bet on a raw but toolsy QB you can develop in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round...someone like..Kellen Mond, Jamie Newman, or Desmond Ridder.

First paragraph: nailed it!

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
These thoughts are sure to change based on what happens in week 17 and the different offseason signings and trades but as of right now, I like the thought of staying where we are and taking a guy like Mac Jones. This kind of pick isn't my norm. Most years I would say take a QB later and develop him, blah, blah, blah. I would probably want an edge rusher to crush it with Bosa and ARik and Mook! I don't see an edge rusher right now that I think is worth the pick imo.

I Watched Mac Jones about a month ago and I thought maybe but watched again last night with more breakdowns and I'm starting to come around. I'm still the biggest zach wilson fan, Mahomes was the draft crush a couple of years ago and Wilson will probably be it this year as well. But Mac Jones is very accurate and can sling the medium to deep routes very well. Watching his legs and his mannerisms remind me of Peyton Manning. But the way he slings a deep pass and stands in the pocket remind me of Big Ben. Go and watch the JT O Sullivan breakdown against Georgia if you haven't!

I like the more mobile playmaking QB for todays NFL but if i'm being honest, I'm not certain that Shannahan does. He hasn't drafted a QB very high so it's hard to know, but he did prefer Cousins over RG3 and he had a bunch of success with Matt Ryan. It sounds like before the Jimmy G trade they were going to go after Cousins again. Could be wrong on all that, but Mac Jones is bigger and can take a hit and still deliver a deep pass on target. When it was Mahomes, I liked him for the same reasons as Zach Wilson but Mahomes could have been drafted by trading back and acquiring more picks. Wilson now comes with a lot to give up.

I don't want to trade tons of future picks for Wilson. Kind of tired of trading picks away for one year loaners(Sanders, Dee Ford, Trent Williams). If we don't resign Trent I will be pissed because we are just wasting picks. We need to stay healthy first but we also need to keep our draft picks and fill a bunch of needs. Our front office I think has hit a bunch of home runs in the draft with Warner, Deebo, Aiuyk, Bosa, etc... but we need the multiple picks to so because you won't hit on every one. We need multiple corners, another edge rusher because Dee Ford didn't work out. We need Center/Oline help and maybe safety help.

Jimmy G will be the QB next year unless there is a crazy trade. The Stafford and Matt Ryan trade scenarios sound ridiculous to me because why would we take on another contract when we desperately want to resign our own guys and honestly I think Jimmy is playing at a similar level to those guys when he is healthy.
Jimmy is hurt a lot though and Mullens and Beathard don't cut it. Drafting a QB early will put pressure on Jimmy to play better and is way cheaper in the long run. You can lock up a first round QB to a rookie contract for 5 years. We will need to sign our guys like Bosa, Deebo, etc...

The QB position has to be upgraded (starter and backup) and it's not an upgrade if we take a QB in the third round to sit for 2 years till they are ready. again, A guy like Mac Jones or Wilson puts pressure on Jimmy to play better now and allows the Niners to break free from the Jimmy G contract next year. Very similar to how the chiefs did it with Alex Smith until Mahomes took over year 2. Alex played with a fire and led them to a very successful year. We can do the same!
The Zach Wilson price is just to high now for me unless he falls in the draft.

Thoughts on the 1st round? Not trying to another Wilson vs whoever debate. Just trying to use rationale and realistic thoughts to gage the first round. I like the DB horn as well and some Oline guys as well.

I just don't see why we need to pull the trigger on a guy like Mac Jones. I feel like guys like this are a dime a dozen you can find any year. At best, he seems like a 2nd round talent. Najee Harris represents that offense.

You mention that we need center/oline help. And I agree. That should be their #1 priority. In fact, they should think about trading back in the 1st round and get a Center. Then using those acquired picks to get some secondary help. We have so many players leaving in free agency this year, its crazy to me that people are looking at Quarterback, though in some ways I can see why. Jimmy has performed really bad.

I want Patrick Surtain ... dude is a legit corner prospect.

Originally posted by English:

Trade down. Get a Center and a guard as well as looking out for db's. Obviously if an edge rusher worth taking drops to us, we take him.

This is looking more and more likely than a trade up.

Originally posted by 91til:

Agree with this on Jones. Sure, I'd like Wilson, sure I want them to look into the cost and do it if they can— But I'm also fine with us just taking Jones in the teens, then using our next picks on DB, OL—hopefully after already adding a cheap vet DB and/or IOL in FA—DE (Ford replacement), TE2... We'll probably draft two DBs honestly, a corner and a safety. And yeah, we get our guys back, Jimmy gets another chance (with added pressure but a good team around him again), Jones gives us security and upside behind Garoppolo.

How do you know Jones will be there in the teens? Honestly kid has been balling and a lot of teams want a young QB on a rookie contract. You got teams right behind us that could very well move up ahead of us as well.

It's not a simple as just saying yeah he will be there, just cause.