WITH THE 12TH PICK OF THE 2021 DRAFT...

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Dude would be broken in half mid way through the first quarter here.

NC hasn't watched many Lion games throughout the yrs lol.

That's WHY he's broken. LOL

Who says he's broken?

I can't remember which podcast reported it recently the past 2 weeks but a surgeon reported how f**ked up he was and listed the grocery long list of injuries he's had. It was unreal. Old + broken. Might be a solid bridge QB but only if Kyle fixes the pass protection and we both know that's highly unlikely.

and yet he has missed a tenth of the games Jimmy has over a career 3 times as long.

The dude is certainly tough as nails!

But eventually it catches up with you.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Dude would be broken in half mid way through the first quarter here.

NC hasn't watched many Lion games throughout the yrs lol.

That's WHY he's broken. LOL

Who says he's broken?

I can't remember which podcast reported it recently the past 2 weeks but a surgeon reported how f**ked up he was and listed the grocery long list of injuries he's had. It was unreal. Old + broken. Might be a solid bridge QB but only if Kyle fixes the pass protection and we both know that's highly unlikely.

and yet he has missed a tenth of the games Jimmy has over a career 3 times as long.

The dude is certainly tough as nails!

But eventually it catches up with you.

He had a tailbone fracture last yr and is completely heathy from that. He's dealt with rib/thumb and a ankle sprain but those aren't massive issues at all. That's s**t a QB deals with. Saying he's broken is quite the embellishment IMO.

Overall he's been consistently healthy. What I meant was you haven't watch Lions games overall lol. That OL for the past decade has NOT been good. This yr they have a good center, a bunch of trash at OG, Decker is a good OT but they have nothing else. Been that way forever. Horrible roster around him horrible coaching staff around him.

NOT everything is OL related, regardless of how much you want it to be

My early draft hope...
Scenario #1 If we stay w Jimmy
- rd1 Fairley or Surtain
- rd2 Creed Humphrey or Josh Myers for the IOL
- rd 3 (for Saleh) Rashad Weaver - edge

Scenario #2 No Jimmy
- drop back to near pick 20 and take Mac Jones
- rd 2 Eric Stokes CB
-rd 3 ( picked up in trade down) Landon Dickerson
- rd 3 (for Saleh ) Rashad Weaver (edge)

Originally posted by fip24:
My early draft hope...
Scenario #1 If we stay w Jimmy
- rd1 Fairley or Surtain
- rd2 Creed Humphrey or Josh Myers for the IOL
- rd 3 (for Saleh) Rashad Weaver - edge

Scenario #2 No Jimmy
- drop back to near pick 20 and take Mac Jones
- rd 2 Eric Stokes CB
-rd 3 ( picked up in trade down) Landon Dickerson
- rd 3 (for Saleh ) Rashad Weaver (edge)

I just don't see the point in taking a DB early with the current scheme they run? You're not investing top draft picks to play a CB in some sort of zone shell 70% of the time? If we played more man sure.

Dickerson is a walking injury (coming from a FSU fan).

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I just don't see the point in taking a DB early with the current scheme they run? You're not investing top draft picks to play a CB in some sort of zone shell 70% of the time? If we played more man sure.

Dickerson is a walking injury (coming from a FSU fan).

If they had a top CB would they change up and play man to man more often? It would at least provide the option of doing it when needed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by fip24:

My early draft hope...
Scenario #1 If we stay w Jimmy
- rd1 Fairley or Surtain
- rd2 Creed Humphrey or Josh Myers for the IOL
- rd 3 (for Saleh) Rashad Weaver - edge

Scenario #2 No Jimmy
- drop back to near pick 20 and take Mac Jones
- rd 2 Eric Stokes CB
-rd 3 ( picked up in trade down) Landon Dickerson
- rd 3 (for Saleh ) Rashad Weaver (edge)

I just don't see the point in taking a DB early with the current scheme they run? You're not investing top draft picks to play a CB in some sort of zone shell 70% of the time? If we played more man sure.

Dickerson is a walking injury (coming from a FSU fan).

Agreed on not investing on a CB early. But if we can get Stokes in the 2nd I'd be f**king thrilled.

I'm all in on Lance

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL. Dude would be broken in half mid way through the first quarter here.

NC hasn't watched many Lion games throughout the yrs lol.

That's WHY he's broken. LOL

Who says he's broken?

I can't remember which podcast reported it recently the past 2 weeks but a surgeon reported how f**ked up he was and listed the grocery long list of injuries he's had. It was unreal. Old + broken. Might be a solid bridge QB but only if Kyle fixes the pass protection and we both know that's highly unlikely.

and yet he has missed a tenth of the games Jimmy has over a career 3 times as long.

The dude is certainly tough as nails!

But eventually it catches up with you.

He had a tailbone fracture last yr and is completely heathy from that. He's dealt with rib/thumb and a ankle sprain but those aren't massive issues at all. That's s**t a QB deals with. Saying he's broken is quite the embellishment IMO.

Overall he's been consistently healthy. What I meant was you haven't watch Lions games overall lol. That OL for the past decade has NOT been good. This yr they have a good center, a bunch of trash at OG, Decker is a good OT but they have nothing else. Been that way forever. Horrible roster around him horrible coaching staff around him.

NOT everything is OL related, regardless of how much you want it to be

Oh I know. That's why he's been beat to s**t. Because of his OL. Haha. And that certainly wouldn't change here.

The list was far more than that too. I think Al found that tweet.

Originally posted by rathman4481:
I'm all in on Lance

This can only mean that we let Jimmy walk, Rosen to be the starter until Lance is ready ??

Guys, most of this thread is dead wrong. ShannyLynch isn't drafting a qb at 12. We are drafting either a defensive lineman or an offensive lineman. Lynch values trench players over every other position (except qb). They aren't handing over the reigns to this team to a rookie qb. This almost certainly eliminates drafting a qb at 12. I know it's exciting to talk about drafting a qb because of potential. But almost all qbs fail. Very few turn out to be franchise qbs. Maybe one of the qbs hits, and it's not even guaranteed that any of these qbs, including Lawrence, will be better than Jimmy already is. There's too much risk. The zone is going to argue all off season about whether to take a qb at 12. It's just not in their dna.

Originally posted by SD49er:
Guys, most of this thread is dead wrong. ShannyLynch isn't drafting a qb at 12. We are drafting either a defensive lineman or an offensive lineman. Lynch values trench players over every other position (except qb). They aren't handing over the reigns to this team to a rookie qb. This almost certainly eliminates drafting a qb at 12. I know it's exciting to talk about drafting a qb because of potential. But almost all qbs fail. Very few turn out to be franchise qbs. Maybe one of the qbs hits, and it's not even guaranteed that any of these qbs, including Lawrence, will be better than Jimmy already is. There's too much risk. The zone is going to argue all off season about whether to take a qb at 12. It's just not in their dna.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Oh I know. That's why he's been beat to s**t. Because of his OL. Haha. And that certainly wouldn't change here.

The list was far more than that too. I think Al found that tweet.

He was beat in a s**t to the tune of not missing a single game for over 8 yrs...even with a less then stellar OL.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SD49er:
Guys, most of this thread is dead wrong. ShannyLynch isn't drafting a qb at 12. We are drafting either a defensive lineman or an offensive lineman. Lynch values trench players over every other position (except qb). They aren't handing over the reigns to this team to a rookie qb. This almost certainly eliminates drafting a qb at 12. I know it's exciting to talk about drafting a qb because of potential. But almost all qbs fail. Very few turn out to be franchise qbs. Maybe one of the qbs hits, and it's not even guaranteed that any of these qbs, including Lawrence, will be better than Jimmy already is. There's too much risk. The zone is going to argue all off season about whether to take a qb at 12. It's just not in their dna.

Haha, touche.

I should not make such a black and white statement. There are clearly drafts such as the Rothlisberger, Rivers, and Manning draft (and 2012 with Wilson, Luck, Tannehill, and Cousins) where multiple qbs hit. But there are more classes where one or zero hit. My contention is not that we should not should not take a qb, just that this regime is not going to. Not when you have Jimmy and this roster.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Oh I know. That's why he's been beat to s**t. Because of his OL. Haha. And that certainly wouldn't change here.

The list was far more than that too. I think Al found that tweet.

He was beat in a s**t to the tune of not missing a single game for over 8 yrs...even with a less then stellar OL.

They drafted that guard from Duke in the first round though. I thought that's all you have to do to have a good o line? Wonder what that guards doing now

Originally posted by SD49er:

Guys, most of this thread is dead wrong. ShannyLynch isn't drafting a qb at 12. We are drafting either a defensive lineman or an offensive lineman. Lynch values trench players over every other position (except qb). They aren't handing over the reigns to this team to a rookie qb. This almost certainly eliminates drafting a qb at 12. I know it's exciting to talk about drafting a qb because of potential. But almost all qbs fail. Very few turn out to be franchise qbs. Maybe one of the qbs hits, and it's not even guaranteed that any of these qbs, including Lawrence, will be better than Jimmy already is. There's too much risk. The zone is going to argue all off season about whether to take a qb at 12. It's just not in their dna.

Lol k...so let's be big pussies because we're afraid of possibility failing

never draft a QB because they almost always fail...lineman and defensive line never fail though amirite lol.

If they feel a QB is available that makes this team better in the long term, they will have no problem pulling the trigger and doing what that need to do to get him.