What to do? OL vs QB

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:
If the pick is 5th-8th, they can't reach to fill a need and draft the second rated OL or the top corner. It would be a big mistake in my eyes. The corner class is average at best this year. Farley is the top rated Corner and he isn't viewed as an elite or can't-miss prospect. Sewell is the top OL and everyone behind him is bunched together. If the 49ers take an OL/CB in the first, it better be after they trade back.

If they aren't getting a QB then I'd better be seeing them draft Rousseau. Just unleash Bosa, Kinlaw and Rousseau on QB's next year, run the football, hope Garoppolo stays healthy and get back to winning games.

What about the top 2 CB in Patrick Surtain II or Caleb Farley if they don't get a QB?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If they aren't getting a QB then I'd better be seeing them draft Rousseau. Just unleash Bosa, Kinlaw and Rousseau on QB's next year, run the football, hope Garoppolo stays healthy and get back to winning games.

Agreed. I like taking an edge player (Rousseau) or even adding a dynamic deep threat like Devonta Smith. Unfortunately, we will probably know weeks before draft day what position Lynch will take with their highest draft choice. One of my problems with him is that he typically drafts for need over BPA with his first choice in each draft and he telegraphs it. Nothing terribly wrong with it but just noting it. In my eyes that strategy makes it easier to get busts like Thomas and McGlinchey (pretty much a bust being picked 9th).

2020 14th Overall Kinlaw - Need Pick
2019 2nd Overall Bosa - The outlier that was a no brainer pick. Filled both a need and BPA.
2018 9th Overall McGlinchey - Need Pick
2017 3rd Overall Thomas - Need Pick

I have a feeling after Lynch does all of his pre-draft roster construction, there will either be a glaring hole at CB or OL. Then he will either reach for someone like Farley/Surtain or an offensive lineman not named Sewell.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
What about the top 2 CB in Patrick Surtain II or Caleb Farley if they don't get a QB?

Either or both may wind up being good players in the NFL. However, I'm not in the camp of ever taking a CB in the top 10 picks. It's just a position that, in my belief, gets a premium put on the top 2-3 prospects every year and leads to over-drafting. I think Okudah and Henderson were both way over-drafted last year if you look back at it. They both are on IR now and they may end up being solid players. It's just that you want a foundational piece in the top 10 and it's very hard to find those types of CB's. I don't see either Farley or Surtain being one of them.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Sign Alex Mack and do what it takes to draft Zach Wilson = Problem solved.

I wish it was that easy.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

What about the top 2 CB in Patrick Surtain II or Caleb Farley if they don't get a QB?

Nah, they don't play a s**t ton of man coverage (mainly 3rd down) you're not investing a top 10 pick in a DB if the plan is to play in some sort of zone shell as much as they do.

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:

Either or both may wind up being good players in the NFL. However, I'm not in the camp of ever taking a CB in the top 10 picks. It's just a position that, in my belief, gets a premium put on the top 2-3 prospects every year and leads to over-drafting. I think Okudah and Henderson were both way over-drafted last year if you look back at it. They both are on IR now and they may end up being solid players. It's just that you want a foundational piece in the top 10 and it's very hard to find those types of CB's. I don't see either Farley or Surtain being one of them.

It's more about what kind of defense you play...look at Miami for example. They're paying Jones/Howard a s**t ton of money because they're great man CBs. That's the scheme they run. Same in NE. That's the foundation of their D. SF is the DL

Really there are 3 way to run the draft. Stay where they are and take BPA. Trade up and draft QB. Trade down and builds depth. If they trade up they will have 5th and 6th round picks for CB, OL or Edge. hopefully they would have a franchise QB with same crap OL and cheaper free agent CB not much help with the pass rush.
Trade down they would add second and third round picks take BPA at end of first round. Could be a QB , IOL, CB or maybe a rush end. They could then use second and third round picks to build OL and CB.
I could see Kyle Shanahan wanting a QB like Kyle Trask who right now is not a top 10 pick or and Tanner Morgan who is not a first round pick and passing on the Field and Trey Lance of the draft.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:
If the pick is 5th-8th, they can't reach to fill a need and draft the second rated OL or the top corner. It would be a big mistake in my eyes. The corner class is average at best this year. Farley is the top rated Corner and he isn't viewed as an elite or can't-miss prospect. Sewell is the top OL and everyone behind him is bunched together. If the 49ers take an OL/CB in the first, it better be after they trade back.

If they aren't getting a QB then I'd better be seeing them draft Rousseau. Just unleash Bosa, Kinlaw and Rousseau on QB's next year, run the football, hope Garoppolo stays healthy and get back to winning games.

Man, I kind of like this idea if Wilson and Lance are gone. He is by far the best EDGE in this class and he's an athletic freak...6'7", 260. Crazy to go DL again but Ford has proven to be worthless. Bosa, AA, Kinlaw, Rousseau would be unstoppable. Add to your strength to me makes more sense than not have a dominant pass rush (ie if you add a first round CB who has to come in and perform without thatr dominat pass rush). Adding Rousseau to this line basically gives opposing QBs less than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball. However if holding is no longer an enforced penalty it doesn't really matter.

Option A: Wilson then Lance
Option B: R1: Rousseau
R2: Derion Kendrick, CB, Clemson
R3: (Saleh Comp): Alec Lindstrom, C, BC

Need to fix the QB /offensive line conundrum. It seems that is much harder to keep a great defense together than a great offense. The Legion of Boom was devastating for a few years. If it wasn't for Wilson they would be one of the worst teams in the league.

With the way QBs are over protected now some can play until 40+. Mahomes may be around for another 15+ years. I don't see the point of trying to build a devastating defense when it won't be around long.

The Rams may have it right on defense. Ramsey can shutdown most receivers and Donald is maximum disruption. Way too expensive Goff is holding them back, but at least he isn't injury prone.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
After watching small dick mullens, I change my opinion to qb. I'm sorry NC.

LOL. I don't think Mullens is the QB option going forward. It's Garoppolo or a rookie or both. Mullens should be 3rd.

I'd actually sign Mullens to a contract for the simple fact that he seemingly has a good grasp on the playbook and would probably make a good tutor for the rookie QB.

Originally posted by pdfortune:
Need to fix the QB /offensive line conundrum. It seems that is much harder to keep a great defense together than a great offense. The Legion of Boom was devastating for a few years. If it wasn't for Wilson they would be one of the worst teams in the league.

With the way QBs are over protected now some can play until 40+. Mahomes may be around for another 15+ years. I don't see the point of trying to build a devastating defense when it won't be around long.

The Rams may have it right on defense. Ramsey can shutdown most receivers and Donald is maximum disruption. Way too expensive Goff is holding them back, but at least he isn't injury prone.

It's harder to hit on the right QB. One can say draft a FQB, but if it were that easy, everyone would do it. The other issue is, I don't think there is now, nor has there ever been 32 long term starting caliber QBs in the NFL.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:
If the pick is 5th-8th, they can't reach to fill a need and draft the second rated OL or the top corner. It would be a big mistake in my eyes. The corner class is average at best this year. Farley is the top rated Corner and he isn't viewed as an elite or can't-miss prospect. Sewell is the top OL and everyone behind him is bunched together. If the 49ers take an OL/CB in the first, it better be after they trade back.

If they aren't getting a QB then I'd better be seeing them draft Rousseau. Just unleash Bosa, Kinlaw and Rousseau on QB's next year, run the football, hope Garoppolo stays healthy and get back to winning games.

Man, I kind of like this idea if Wilson and Lance are gone. He is by far the best EDGE in this class and he's an athletic freak...6'7", 260. Crazy to go DL again but Ford has proven to be worthless. Bosa, AA, Kinlaw, Rousseau would be unstoppable. Add to your strength to me makes more sense than not have a dominant pass rush (ie if you add a first round CB who has to come in and perform without thatr dominat pass rush). Adding Rousseau to this line basically gives opposing QBs less than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball. However if holding is no longer an enforced penalty it doesn't really matter.

Option A: Wilson then Lance
Option B: R1: Rousseau
R2: Derion Kendrick, CB, Clemson
R3: (Saleh Comp): Alec Lindstrom, C, BC

Kyle has to start lobbying officials more about this. It would irritate me when those talking heads would ask what happened to the 49ers pass rush in the second half of 2019. It was like, did you watch the game or are you reading stat lines? We know the answer to that question.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:

If the pick is 5th-8th, they can't reach to fill a need and draft the second rated OL or the top corner. It would be a big mistake in my eyes. The corner class is average at best this year. Farley is the top rated Corner and he isn't viewed as an elite or can't-miss prospect. Sewell is the top OL and everyone behind him is bunched together. If the 49ers take an OL/CB in the first, it better be after they trade back.

If they aren't getting a QB then I'd better be seeing them draft Rousseau. Just unleash Bosa, Kinlaw and Rousseau on QB's next year, run the football, hope Garoppolo stays healthy and get back to winning games.

Man, I kind of like this idea if Wilson and Lance are gone. He is by far the best EDGE in this class and he's an athletic freak...6'7", 260. Crazy to go DL again but Ford has proven to be worthless. Bosa, AA, Kinlaw, Rousseau would be unstoppable. Add to your strength to me makes more sense than not have a dominant pass rush (ie if you add a first round CB who has to come in and perform without thatr dominat pass rush). Adding Rousseau to this line basically gives opposing QBs less than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball. However if holding is no longer an enforced penalty it doesn't really matter.

Option A: Wilson then Lance
Option B: R1: Rousseau
R2: Derion Kendrick, CB, Clemson
R3: (Saleh Comp): Alec Lindstrom, C, BC

This is my biggest fear. It counters the environment the NFL is trying to implement. Like in the Superbowl, they'll counter against us if that's our strength because of the type of strength it is.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

After watching small dick mullens, I change my opinion to qb. I'm sorry NC.

LOL. I don't think Mullens is the QB option going forward. It's Garoppolo or a rookie or both. Mullens should be 3rd.

I'd actually sign Mullens to a contract for the simple fact that he seemingly has a good grasp on the playbook and would probably make a good tutor for the rookie QB.

Exactly. He'll be a good soldier and also help develop the PS players too.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HarbaughzDeep:
If the pick is 5th-8th, they can't reach to fill a need and draft the second rated OL or the top corner. It would be a big mistake in my eyes. The corner class is average at best this year. Farley is the top rated Corner and he isn't viewed as an elite or can't-miss prospect. Sewell is the top OL and everyone behind him is bunched together. If the 49ers take an OL/CB in the first, it better be after they trade back.

If they aren't getting a QB then I'd better be seeing them draft Rousseau. Just unleash Bosa, Kinlaw and Rousseau on QB's next year, run the football, hope Garoppolo stays healthy and get back to winning games.

Man, I kind of like this idea if Wilson and Lance are gone. He is by far the best EDGE in this class and he's an athletic freak...6'7", 260. Crazy to go DL again but Ford has proven to be worthless. Bosa, AA, Kinlaw, Rousseau would be unstoppable. Add to your strength to me makes more sense than not have a dominant pass rush (ie if you add a first round CB who has to come in and perform without thatr dominat pass rush). Adding Rousseau to this line basically gives opposing QBs less than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball. However if holding is no longer an enforced penalty it doesn't really matter.

Option A: Wilson then Lance
Option B: R1: Rousseau
R2: Derion Kendrick, CB, Clemson
R3: (Saleh Comp): Alec Lindstrom, C, BC

I like how you're thinking. I would add one more option to yours:

Option C: Trade back a little, take Wyatt Davis or Rashawn Slater
Round 2 : Mac Jones QB
Round 3: Drake Jackson OC Kentucky

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

What about the top 2 CB in Patrick Surtain II or Caleb Farley if they don't get a QB?

If they're running the same scheme then I think an edge makes more sense than a CB that early. If you go CB that early, its usually because you need a guy that you can leave on an island frequently in coverage. Thus scheme doesn't demand that. Develop a monstrous pass rush and you can get by with lesser CBs.