Jaelan Phillips-EDGE-Miami

The dude admitted he needed a kick in the butt to get going. No thanks. I have no doubt he'll be good, but this team can't just keep throwing away picks on all these dudes with red flags. The next time Phillips takes a hit to the dome and sees flashes, being back in the studio making beats and rapping is going to sound reeeeal nice.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Multiple concussions is a serious problem....It's not a position where concussions are as big of a risk

This is sooo incorrect. It's how he got there in the first place rofl.

If you've ever played end, a lot of tackles use a headbutt technique in their pass sets. You're getting your bell rung weekly. Joe Staley was really good at this. Not to mention squatty running backs coming at you.

I'm studying Allen but am captivated by this set from Joe Staley. Notice how explosive his set foot & punch is 👊 pic.twitter.com/7S4td955pl

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) January 6, 2016

Defensive players in general only account for about 35% of concussions, and DE are much, much less likely to receive them than DBs and LBs. The technique you guys are talking about is going to result in a much greater impact to the tackle than to the end, which you can see evidence of in the higher rate of concussions among tackles and guards than along the DL. Center is an especially bad position given the vulnerable position they are often in. It's a lot worse to absorb a hit than to deliver it, which is why concussions happen on offense more than defense by a 2/1 margin.

So, again, Phillips is in a position that is ideal for preventing concussions. If he is routinely getting them there is either something in his particular playstyle or physiology that is causing it. That needed to be determined to either be corrected or mitigated is possible.

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Don't AcTuAlLy m

Yeeeeeah, my statements are based on actual experience on the field. I don't make statements based on analytics or stats. This isn't accounting.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Don't AcTuAlLy m

Yeeeeeah, my statements are based on actual experience on the field. I don't make statements based on analytics or stats. This isn't accounting.

I played DE and DT.

My helmet looks like it went through a wind turbine.

I believe I still have memory issues from colliding with offensive lineman.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I played DE and DT.

My helmet looks like it went through a wind turbine.

I believe I still have memory issues from colliding with offensive lineman.

These dudes that have never strapped it up don't know what it's like.

Concussion issues don't go away. They exacerbate with each additional concussion.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Don't AcTuAlLy m

Yeeeeeah, my statements are based on actual experience on the field. I don't make statements based on analytics or stats. This isn't accounting.

Well, it certainly is science.

Cool, that's what we call antidotal though. You individual experience doesn't outweigh 8 years of data on it. Defensive ends are much less likely to suffer a concussion than any other position on the field outside of defensive tackle.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Multiple concussions is a serious problem....It's not a position where concussions are as big of a risk

This is sooo incorrect. It's how he got there in the first place rofl.

If you've ever played end, a lot of tackles use a headbutt technique in their pass sets. You're getting your bell rung weekly. Joe Staley was really good at this. Not to mention squatty running backs coming at you.

I'm studying Allen but am captivated by this set from Joe Staley. Notice how explosive his set foot & punch is 👊 pic.twitter.com/7S4td955pl

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) January 6, 2016

This. Playing on the line is probably more dangerous than playing WR and other skill positions where you see guys get laid out. You're talking about non stop collisions all game when playing in the trenches.

Those are sub-concussive blows. When you add them all up over a career they will contribute to things like CTE. However, that's not what we're talking about here.

Every football player, history of concussions of not, if going to have to ask what their willingness to deal with CTE is. Multiple concussions can contribute to that, but also have their own separate complications.

QB sees stars they get checked for a concussion
Linemen sees stars they get told they got their bell rung

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by boomer49er:
Don't AcTuAlLy m

Yeeeeeah, my statements are based on actual experience on the field. I don't make statements based on analytics or stats. This isn't accounting.

I played DE and DT.

My helmet looks like it went through a wind turbine.

I believe I still have memory issues from colliding with offensive lineman.

Memory loss can result from repeated sub-concussive blows as well, actually probably more so than multiple concussions. It takes x amount of energy to generate enough force on the brain to cause a concussion, which is hard to generate when you are starting just a few inches from the other guy.

I played on the line too. Yeah, you hit your head on every play. I don't remember ever feeling like I had the potential for a head injury except for one time, and that was on kick coverage.

I'm sure teams aren't worried about Phillips risk of CTE though. Every football player risks CTE and that doesn't stop the NFL from keeping rules that lead to it later in life. What teams are worried about is post-concussion syndrome that would make it impossible for him to continue playing, atleast for long periods of time after a concussion. Which is why I point out that DE's are among the lowest positions in the NFL for concussion injuries and that Phillips already having multiple ones leads me to believe that there is something in his playstyle that is leading to them or he is more susceptible to them than the average person. Having had severe concussions does make another one more likely and being "least-likely" doesn't mean they don't happen. So there's risk there, the question is how much risk is worth taking, both by him and the team.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
QB sees stars they get checked for a concussion
Linemen sees stars they get told they got their bell rung

That used to be more true than it is now. Things have changed a lot in the past decade.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
QB sees stars they get checked for a concussion
Linemen sees stars they get told they got their bell rung

"Treatment" for "rung bell." If you know, you know.

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
QB sees stars they get checked for a concussion
Linemen sees stars they get told they got their bell rung

That used to be more true than it is now. Things have changed a lot in the past decade.

Well I think that's the era lots of people on this forum played in. I played safety and got knocked the f**k out during hell week in okie drill and knocked my self out during a practice. Both times I was told to just take a breather when I came too

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
QB sees stars they get checked for a concussion
Linemen sees stars they get told they got their bell rung

"Treatment" for "rung bell." If you know, you know.

Smelling that s**t felt like I was suffocating my lungs rejected that scent so hard lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by boomer49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
QB sees stars they get checked for a concussion
Linemen sees stars they get told they got their bell rung

That used to be more true than it is now. Things have changed a lot in the past decade.

Well I think that's the era lots of people on this forum played in. I played safety and got knocked the f**k out during hell week in okie drill and knocked my self out during a practice. Both times I was told to just take a breather when I came too

Sure, historically concussions were ignored and players were told to get back out there. You could def get knocked out and get told to get back in there in there a few plays later. Now, especially in the NFL and higher college, there are people who's job is to watch every play and spot those hits that need to be checked further. NFL-contracted Drs are on the sidelines to check players and it's their call if they can return, independent of the coaching staff or teams.

I mean, go back far enough and the head slap was a perfectly normal move.

He doesnt make it to 43. And its hard to imagine us moving up. But if he does, I'm sprinting to the stage. He's got 1st pick of the draft talent at an extremely valuable position.