Kwity Paye-EDGE/DL-Michigan

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Weak weak weak edge rush class. Not a good year to go edge rush before round 4.

True, true, this edge class is doo doo.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I saw enough Michigan games that lead to MY opinion that he'll just be another Taco .. IF you or anyone else believe that he'll be as good as AA or even become a SUPERSTAR like Bucko, then that's your opinion..

I see him as a late 1st rounder at best and I'm basing that from the games I watched on TV instead of some workout.. I've also seen or read about GREAT workout that skyrocketed players stock and ended up nothing more than an average career.

YES, I could be wrong, but it's RARE !!

Im asking for you to explain to me what he does poorly or compares him to Taco?

I'm not sure if there's any explanation out there that can help convince you since you grew to like him after watching his workout... OUR opinion on him may just end up similar to our battle regarding AA..

Understood. You think he's being overvalued because of the weak class and we should not consider him at 12. Obviously some team will take the chance, but don't fall for that trap etc.

Assuming the rest of our line is: bosa-arik-kinlaw

Do you think he would be good on the opposite edge?

I do think you're asking for success with the talent already there, also moving AA inside where he's better, but that doesn't mean we should reach either.

I love the idea of a bonafide de to put opposite bosa because Ford isn't reliable, but it was obvious when he was healthy how deadly our defense was. That thinking is why I'm wondering if drafting a de improves the team the most.

I was eyeing that Rousseau kid too, but o-line may even be the wiser move so who knows.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Weak weak weak edge rush class. Not a good year to go edge rush before round 4.

True, true, this edge class is doo doo.

everyone seems to be underweight...

I'm not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me.. but the guy that keeps poppin on my mind is Adan Hutchinson of Michigan... he'll be a later BLOOMER in my opinion and if we can sneak in the late 3rd or 4th round and take him... we can be one of those DIAMONDS IN THE ROUGH type of player..

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I saw enough Michigan games that lead to MY opinion that he'll just be another Taco .. IF you or anyone else believe that he'll be as good as AA or even become a SUPERSTAR like Bucko, then that's your opinion..

I see him as a late 1st rounder at best and I'm basing that from the games I watched on TV instead of some workout.. I've also seen or read about GREAT workout that skyrocketed players stock and ended up nothing more than an average career.

YES, I could be wrong, but it's RARE !!

Im asking for you to explain to me what he does poorly or compares him to Taco?

I'm not sure if there's any explanation out there that can help convince you since you grew to like him after watching his workout... OUR opinion on him may just end up similar to our battle regarding AA..

Understood. You think he's being overvalued because of the weak class and we should not consider him at 12. Obviously some team will take the chance, but don't fall for that trap etc.

Assuming the rest of our line is: bosa-arik-kinlaw

Do you think he would be good on the opposite edge?

I do think you're asking for success with the talent already there, also moving AA inside where he's better, but that doesn't mean we should reach either.

I love the idea of a bonafide de to put opposite bosa because Ford isn't reliable, but it was obvious when he was healthy how deadly our defense was. That thinking is why I'm wondering if drafting a de improves the team the most.

I was eyeing that Rousseau kid too, but o-line may even be the wiser move so who knows.

HONESTLY, I didn't even think of that "weak edge class" when I posted that "late first at best" .. I was just basing it on the games I saw and felt that he isn't all that no matter how great the work out was..

Knowing that Shanny isn't a good talent evaluator and Lynch has been so-so in his draft picks, I believe that taking the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE is how we should attack this draft..

we should NOT force the issue of drafting by needs especially if we have that player listed lower than the guy available when it's time for us to pick...

Reach at 12, hell he disappeared in some games. Let's wait a year and get his counter punch Hutchinson, dude is a stud!

IMO, the Niners already have this type of Edge(power & technique) on the roster and he's pretty darn good. They need speed rushers who could force the QB to step up in the pocket for our DTs to make plays or force the QBs to move away from their speed towards our power rushers. Speed and power complements each other.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I saw enough Michigan games that lead to MY opinion that he'll just be another Taco .. IF you or anyone else believe that he'll be as good as AA or even become a SUPERSTAR like Bucko, then that's your opinion..

I see him as a late 1st rounder at best and I'm basing that from the games I watched on TV instead of some workout.. I've also seen or read about GREAT workout that skyrocketed players stock and ended up nothing more than an average career.

YES, I could be wrong, but it's RARE !!

Im asking for you to explain to me what he does poorly or compares him to Taco?

I'm not sure if there's any explanation out there that can help convince you since you grew to like him after watching his workout... OUR opinion on him may just end up similar to our battle regarding AA..

Understood. You think he's being overvalued because of the weak class and we should not consider him at 12. Obviously some team will take the chance, but don't fall for that trap etc.

Assuming the rest of our line is: bosa-arik-kinlaw

Do you think he would be good on the opposite edge?

I do think you're asking for success with the talent already there, also moving AA inside where he's better, but that doesn't mean we should reach either.

I love the idea of a bonafide de to put opposite bosa because Ford isn't reliable, but it was obvious when he was healthy how deadly our defense was. That thinking is why I'm wondering if drafting a de improves the team the most.

I was eyeing that Rousseau kid too, but o-line may even be the wiser move so who knows.

HONESTLY, I didn't even think of that "weak edge class" when I posted that "late first at best" .. I was just basing it on the games I saw and felt that he isn't all that no matter how great the work out was..

Knowing that Shanny isn't a good talent evaluator and Lynch has been so-so in his draft picks, I believe that taking the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE is how we should attack this draft..

we should NOT force the issue of drafting by needs especially if we have that player listed lower than the guy available when it's time for us to pick...

I hear you. Our drafts have been hit and miss. I believe the o-line and pass rush need improvement. Also, Bpa may be the tight end lol

Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:

IMO, the Niners already have this type of Edge(power & technique) on the roster and he's pretty darn good. They need speed rushers who could force the QB to step up in the pocket for our DTs to make plays or force the QBs to move away from their speed towards our power rushers. Speed and power complements each other.

I agree that it would nice to get a pass rusher that wins with speed, especially since the Niners like to move their guys around. The greatest benefit of pass rushers with different strengths is being able to move them around because it f**ks up the timing and rhythm of offensive linemen.


That said, the Niners shouldn't draft speed guy for the sake of getting one. They should draft a good edge rusher regardless of how they win, even it's redundant. Ideally, you essentially want a young Dee Ford, but I'm not sure that guy is in the draft. The class is pretty underwhelming.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I saw enough Michigan games that lead to MY opinion that he'll just be another Taco .. IF you or anyone else believe that he'll be as good as AA or even become a SUPERSTAR like Bucko, then that's your opinion..

I see him as a late 1st rounder at best and I'm basing that from the games I watched on TV instead of some workout.. I've also seen or read about GREAT workout that skyrocketed players stock and ended up nothing more than an average career.

YES, I could be wrong, but it's RARE !!

Im asking for you to explain to me what he does poorly or compares him to Taco?

I'm not sure if there's any explanation out there that can help convince you since you grew to like him after watching his workout... OUR opinion on him may just end up similar to our battle regarding AA..

Understood. You think he's being overvalued because of the weak class and we should not consider him at 12. Obviously some team will take the chance, but don't fall for that trap etc.

Assuming the rest of our line is: bosa-arik-kinlaw

Do you think he would be good on the opposite edge?

I do think you're asking for success with the talent already there, also moving AA inside where he's better, but that doesn't mean we should reach either.

I love the idea of a bonafide de to put opposite bosa because Ford isn't reliable, but it was obvious when he was healthy how deadly our defense was. That thinking is why I'm wondering if drafting a de improves the team the most.

I was eyeing that Rousseau kid too, but o-line may even be the wiser move so who knows.

HONESTLY, I didn't even think of that "weak edge class" when I posted that "late first at best" .. I was just basing it on the games I saw and felt that he isn't all that no matter how great the work out was..

Knowing that Shanny isn't a good talent evaluator and Lynch has been so-so in his draft picks, I believe that taking the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE is how we should attack this draft..

we should NOT force the issue of drafting by needs especially if we have that player listed lower than the guy available when it's time for us to pick...

I hear you. Our drafts have been hit and miss. I believe the o-line and pass rush need improvement. Also, Bpa may be the tight end lol

HAHAHA !! almost got me, almost got me!!

I should have made it clear that TEs will never be on my TOP 30 list..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

He'll just be another TACO BELL from Michigan !!

Explain why? What about his game makes you say that?

Because he's from Michigan ??

Party yes and partly NO..

Just wondering, did you get a chance to watch Michigan games?

Was he someone that got your attention?

Yes , I wasn't really blown away. Just have the gut feeling he's be an average edge rusher. Nothing Elite. He did have a nice game out the gates vs the Gophers. The overall play of Michigan this year was brutal so I found myself not watching too much. He had a nice junior season.

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
He'll just be another TACO BELL from Michigan !!

Explain why? What about his game makes you say that?

Because he's from Michigan ??

Party yes and partly NO..

Just wondering, did you get a chance to watch Michigan games?

Was he someone that got your attention?

Yes , I wasn't really blown away. Just have the gut feeling he's be an average edge rusher. Nothing Elite. He did have a nice game out the gates vs the Gophers. The overall play of Michigan this year was brutal so I found myself not watching too much. He had a nice junior season.

Taco - Gary and Paye, they all looked average when you watch them play.. sure there'll be some FINE plays here and there, but nothing special... the one who looked more solid to me is Adan Hutchinson.. I'm not sure if he's coming out, don't think he's a 1st rounder but I think he'll be a LATER BLOOMER..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
He'll just be another TACO BELL from Michigan !!

Explain why? What about his game makes you say that?

Because he's from Michigan ??

Party yes and partly NO..

Just wondering, did you get a chance to watch Michigan games?

Was he someone that got your attention?

Yes , I wasn't really blown away. Just have the gut feeling he's be an average edge rusher. Nothing Elite. He did have a nice game out the gates vs the Gophers. The overall play of Michigan this year was brutal so I found myself not watching too much. He had a nice junior season.

Taco - Gary and Paye, they all looked average when you watch them play.. sure there'll be some FINE plays here and there, but nothing special... the one who looked more solid to me is Adan Hutchinson.. I'm not sure if he's coming out, don't think he's a 1st rounder but I think he'll be a LATER BLOOMER..

Well why don't you eat some hay?

I think I'd rather Azeez Ojulari

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I saw enough Michigan games that lead to MY opinion that he'll just be another Taco .. IF you or anyone else believe that he'll be as good as AA or even become a SUPERSTAR like Bucko, then that's your opinion..

I see him as a late 1st rounder at best and I'm basing that from the games I watched on TV instead of some workout.. I've also seen or read about GREAT workout that skyrocketed players stock and ended up nothing more than an average career.

YES, I could be wrong, but it's RARE !!

Im asking for you to explain to me what he does poorly or compares him to Taco?

I'm not sure if there's any explanation out there that can help convince you since you grew to like him after watching his workout... OUR opinion on him may just end up similar to our battle regarding AA..

Understood. You think he's being overvalued because of the weak class and we should not consider him at 12. Obviously some team will take the chance, but don't fall for that trap etc.

Assuming the rest of our line is: bosa-arik-kinlaw

Do you think he would be good on the opposite edge?

I do think you're asking for success with the talent already there, also moving AA inside where he's better, but that doesn't mean we should reach either.

I love the idea of a bonafide de to put opposite bosa because Ford isn't reliable, but it was obvious when he was healthy how deadly our defense was. That thinking is why I'm wondering if drafting a de improves the team the most.

I was eyeing that Rousseau kid too, but o-line may even be the wiser move so who knows.

HONESTLY, I didn't even think of that "weak edge class" when I posted that "late first at best" .. I was just basing it on the games I saw and felt that he isn't all that no matter how great the work out was..

Knowing that Shanny isn't a good talent evaluator and Lynch has been so-so in his draft picks, I believe that taking the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE is how we should attack this draft..

we should NOT force the issue of drafting by needs especially if we have that player listed lower than the guy available when it's time for us to pick...

I hear you. Our drafts have been hit and miss. I believe the o-line and pass rush need improvement. Also, Bpa may be the tight end lol

HAHAHA !! almost got me, almost got me!!

I should have made it clear that TEs will never be on my TOP 30 list..

Lol I know, little is living proof. Since this is by all accounts a weak edge class I guess offensive line would be the most impact move that also aligns with our welanesses. (Not assuming anything about QB, and assuming the top two CB are gone). Can't wait for FA

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
He'll just be another TACO BELL from Michigan !!

Explain why? What about his game makes you say that?

Because he's from Michigan ??

Party yes and partly NO..

Just wondering, did you get a chance to watch Michigan games?

Was he someone that got your attention?

Yes , I wasn't really blown away. Just have the gut feeling he's be an average edge rusher. Nothing Elite. He did have a nice game out the gates vs the Gophers. The overall play of Michigan this year was brutal so I found myself not watching too much. He had a nice junior season.

Taco - Gary and Paye, they all looked average when you watch them play.. sure there'll be some FINE plays here and there, but nothing special... the one who looked more solid to me is Adan Hutchinson.. I'm not sure if he's coming out, don't think he's a 1st rounder but I think he'll be a LATER BLOOMER..

Well why don't you eat some hay?

I actually had some hay down by the bay !!