QB need teams ahead of us in draft

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

The way I see it is. There's only three guys I'd trade up for; Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson.

If one of those guys fall past pick 5, I'm okay doing a mini trade up with the Eagles or the Lions since it will take compensation, but not that much. Mostly to get in front of Carolina, who I think will be taking a QB

Trading up into the top 5 is really tricky though. I don't think I'm willing to give up that much for one player.

49ers fans overrate this roster. This was a Superbowl team last year, but after many coaching changes and players leaving, they need those draft picks to restock the toolshed.

The worst scenario for this team is Lawrence to Jags, Fields to Jets, and Zach Wilson to the Falcons. Then you're just hoping Lance falls to your pick. As much as I like Lance, I dunno if I'd trade up a boat load of picks for him to hope and pray hes the next Josh Allen, personally speaking. If he falls to our pick, I'd take him at pick 12 under the presumption that Garappolo will be under center in 2021

The amount of draft capital we would need to trade up isn't as much as people have been saying. This year will look closer to the Josh Rosen trade IMO with how many QBs are available.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Jaguars
Jets
Falcons
Panthers
Denver

all taking a quarterback

It bodes well if you are a Jimmy G fan. There will be some good prospects falling.

If QBs start going early, they should look at EDGE and CB. Jaycee Horn might be their guy since the Niners love South Carolina

This. Not much of a JG fan, but you take what is given to you right? This is making the best of it.

The more I think about it the less teams I think will be in a position to trade into the top 5.

Panthers could, but I still think they want to keep preparing the nest, I think they'll want a Tackle.


We're obviously a potential candidate

Patriots? I don't think that's their way and I think they've got too many roster issues.

Broncos, but I think they have too many needs on D to justify trading up, I think they go for a Vet.

Any lower than that and you are talking serious capital, Washington a slight possibility, but Bears, Colts? that's a hell of a jump.

I'm hoping that would mean it would cost slightly less, but we'll see.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Jaguars
Jets
Falcons
Panthers
Denver

all taking a quarterback

It bodes well if you are a Jimmy G fan. There will be some good prospects falling.

If QBs start going early, they should look at EDGE and CB. Jaycee Horn might be their guy since the Niners love South Carolina

Knowing the HC situations of these teams, I'm thinking the Jets and Broncos do not draft QBs.

Saleh needs more playmakers and Darnold has all the skills of a top drafted Qb. He was one and drafting another rook sets them back.

Fangio needs to keep his job and I think the GM is attached to him on their success. I could see them bringing in a seasoned Veteran : Stafford, or trading for a Watson. Their most recent success involves experienced veteran QB play (Manning) they've been burned enough with drafting young QBs and I don't see them going there so soon with Fangio near the end of his rope. I think they bring in a vet, use picks to improve their D back to dominance.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Knowing the HC situations of these teams, I'm thinking the Jets and Broncos do not draft QBs.

Saleh needs more playmakers and Darnold has all the skills of a top drafted Qb. He was one and drafting another rook sets them back.

Fangio needs to keep his job and I think the GM is attached to him on their success. I could see them bringing in a seasoned Veteran : Stafford, or trading for a Watson. Their most recent success involves experienced veteran QB play (Manning) they've been burned enough with drafting young QBs and I don't see them going there so soon with Fangio near the end of his rope. I think they bring in a vet, use picks to improve their D back to dominance.

Nice post, I agree on the Broncos.

Still not sure about the Jets, the only value pick at #2 who isn't a QB is Sule. They just took Beckton last year.

If they keep Darnold they really should trade, but again I'm not sure many will be in position. Probably just the Panthers and less likely, us.

I think the sensible option is to draft your favourite QB, and trade Darnold, probably get a 2nd from someone.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Knowing the HC situations of these teams, I'm thinking the Jets and Broncos do not draft QBs.

Saleh needs more playmakers and Darnold has all the skills of a top drafted Qb. He was one and drafting another rook sets them back.

Fangio needs to keep his job and I think the GM is attached to him on their success. I could see them bringing in a seasoned Veteran : Stafford, or trading for a Watson. Their most recent success involves experienced veteran QB play (Manning) they've been burned enough with drafting young QBs and I don't see them going there so soon with Fangio near the end of his rope. I think they bring in a vet, use picks to improve their D back to dominance.

Nice post, I agree on the Broncos.

Still not sure about the Jets, the only value pick at #2 who isn't a QB is Sule. They just took Beckton last year.

If they keep Darnold they really should trade, but again I'm not sure many will be in position. Probably just the Panthers and less likely, us.

I think the sensible option is to draft your favourite QB, and trade Darnold, probably get a 2nd from someone.

The WZ front page news has Watson rumored to want to go to the Jets. If they swap Watson for Darnold and picks then the Texans can rebuild with Darnold or start from scratch by going rookie QB. The Texans could take that #2 pick from the Jets and trade it for lots of rebuilding chips.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

The WZ front page news has Watson rumored to want to go to the Jets. If they swap Watson for Darnold and picks then the Texans can rebuild with Darnold or start from scratch by going rookie QB. The Texans could take that #2 pick from the Jets and trade it for lots of rebuilding chips.

Who knows with Watson, it will be an unprecedented trade. Even so I still can't see a team who are desperate for a QB having the ammunition to get all the way to #2.

Panthers aren't desperate, but they could be aggressive, I think Washington might want to, but that's a long way to go when they have many roster needs.

Colts have fewer needs, but that would be as astronomical as the Watson deal.

The Lions trading Stafford puts them as huge players in the QB market, especially if they get another 1st this year. This is bad news.

I had them pegged to go D or WR until this, even had them as a potential trade partner.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The Lions trading Stafford puts them as huge players in the QB market, especially if they get another 1st this year. This is bad news.

I had them pegged to go D or WR until this, even had them as a potential trade partner.

This. I just want out of it. Sellers market right now with those top picks and this is already given that the draft value chart is thrown out when QBs are involved. I'd rather just make a go at this next year. True, we likely will be drafting far lower, but I'd rather add as much talent as we can to our roster that isn't going to be as loaded as 2019, then make the move next year if necessary. That way, whatever the young QB is, they will be surrounded by plenty of talent.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
This. I just want out of it. Sellers market right now with those top picks and this is already given that the draft value chart is thrown out when QBs are involved. I'd rather just make a go at this next year. True, we likely will be drafting far lower, but I'd rather add as much talent as we can to our roster that isn't going to be as loaded as 2019, then make the move next year if necessary. That way, whatever the young QB is, they will be surrounded by plenty of talent.

I guess no one told you about next year's QB class?

The gauntlet has been well and truly laid, the Chiefs are special, and there are a group of amazing young AFC QB's, they will dominate for years until the NFC get more firepower (though Rodgers is obviously good enough).

We can sit and be happy with getting to the show, or we need to upgrade our QB situation.

As much as I think Mac Jones is the safe choice, I'm also not sure he can keep pace with these guys.

I'm swinging for the fences for high ceiling, be that trading up for Wilson or Fields or waiting for Lance.

We've got to keep pace. That could be Stafford, but for how long?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The gauntlet has been well and truly laid, the Chiefs are special, and there are a group of amazing young AFC QB's, they will dominate for years until the NFC get more firepower (though Rodgers is obviously good enough).

We can sit and be happy with getting to the show, or we need to upgrade our QB situation.

As much as I think Mac Jones is the safe choice, I'm also not sure he can keep pace with these guys.

I'm swinging for the fences for high ceiling, be that trading up for Wilson or Fields or waiting for Lance.

We've got to keep pace. That could be Stafford, but for how long?

Only have 2 more years to worry about KC. Once Mahomes' contract kicks in in a couple years he'll be no different than all the other high priced QB's. Eating up too much cap space to allow for a full squad. It's no coincidence that Brady takes less money than all of these other top QBs and he's constantly in the show.

The one thing I agree on with NY is that getting a QB on a rookie scale is the way to go. It allows you to fill out the rest of your roster.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The gauntlet has been well and truly laid, the Chiefs are special, and there are a group of amazing young AFC QB's, they will dominate for years until the NFC get more firepower (though Rodgers is obviously good enough).

We can sit and be happy with getting to the show, or we need to upgrade our QB situation.

As much as I think Mac Jones is the safe choice, I'm also not sure he can keep pace with these guys.

I'm swinging for the fences for high ceiling, be that trading up for Wilson or Fields or waiting for Lance.

We've got to keep pace. That could be Stafford, but for how long?

Mahomes is terrific but the amount of wide open looks to elite level talent is unreal. It sucks knowing we should've started his career 0-1 in SBs and we blew it.

Thing is the Chiefs have been getting super lucky, not only with the talent but the lack of key injuries. How will they deal if they lose Mahomes for the bulk of the season? Kelce? Hill? Frank Clark or Chris Jones? Mathieu?

Regardless of the Chiefs, i agree with your point. We need to improve the QB position and make sure our guy can light it up. Rookie salary gives us the best method to compete with them as an overall great team right away but of course there are learning curves with any rookie and development time that takes place. Trading for a proven Vet comes with cap issues and short time frame before we're on QB watch again.

I just hope whatever decision or move we make ends up being the right one. I'm so damn thirsty for another 49ers SB win.

Only QBs worth trading up for, at least for the 9ers, are Lawrence, Fields and Wilson. If we can't land any of these three, we need to let the cards fall as they may. If Lance falls to us, that's great and I'd pick him to sit and learn behind Jimmy G for a year or two. Mac Jones to me is what we have with Jimmy but just a better arm. Brock Purdy peaks my interest as a later round QB we could/should target.

I see what you guys are saying, but I think Mahomes might be special enough to transcend the amount he's getting paid.

They just keep Hill & Kelce and I don't see how they can be stopped.

Anyway, I want a QB who can win those games when things aren't perfect.