Quincy Roche, EDGE, Miami

Let's get this thread going because this dude is a damn good late day-two/maybe early day-three edge rusher. Active, technical hands. Quick eyes; quick processor. One thing that stands about Roche is that he wins in every direction with multiple moves in his toolbox. I've seen a cross chop, I've seen a double swipe, inside counter swim, etc. The obvious weakness I've seen are that he's undersized, not overly strong, not very long and doesn't seem very athletic. He's not the type of athlete that's going to pressure a tackle up the arc with pure athleticism. As a result, he'll struggle to disengage if the tackle lands first and is going to be heavily, heavily reliant on winning with his hands.

He's about the same size as Dee Ford, which leads me to a curious point about Saleh: Saleh was extremely forward-thinking when it came to edge rushers. He wanted guys to play using whatever technique they felt most comfortable with. Even tho we play a 4-3 on paper, we've seen multiple edge players rush standing up over the last 4 years under Saleh. Furthermore, Saleh understood that there's a place for every type of edge rusher in today's game. There's no reason to avoid drafting an edge that in the past was classified as a "3-4 OLB"(ex: Dee Ford) just because you play a 4-3 on paper. If you can get after the damn QB, we've got a spot for you on the team. Let's hope that DeMeco Ryans continues this way of thinking. We don't need any dinosaur mentalities on our team. It's 2021--get with the times.

Finally some love for my man Roche, about damn time.

Good to see Roche get a thread. Whenever I watched Miami this year, I kept my eye on Roche (#2) coming off the edge. In addition to what's mentioned above, I saw a guy who played hard from snap to whistle & chasing down some plays. Didn't know he was at Temple before Miami. Not sure what Rd. he'll go but probably on Day 2...wouldn't mind at all if the Niners took him.

This kid in say a trade down in the second is what we need to replace Ford.

He had the second-highest pass-rush grade for an edge defender only behind Chase Young last yr when he was at Temple.




where do I sign?

Love him later on and I always take him in my mock draft run throughs around round 5 even if I take a 1st or 2nd round rusher, would be a nice rotational rusher.

He wears 55 at the Senior Bowl game, I see what you did there

From what I'm reading, seems more in the Nick Bosa/Brian Burns mold than Dee Ford. Is that accurate?

Is his size/speed the reason why he's looked at as a 2nd round pick? Personally, I'd love Roche. He can start off on 3rd downs and as he gains strength with NFL level strength and conditioning, he can ultimately become a 3-down player.

I still would like a speed rusher however lol.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
From what I'm reading, seems more in the Nick Bosa/Brian Burns mold than Dee Ford. Is that accurate?

Is his size/speed the reason why he's looked at as a 2nd round pick? Personally, I'd love Roche. He can start off on 3rd downs and as he gains strength with NFL level strength and conditioning, he can ultimately become a 3-down player.

I still would like a speed rusher however lol.

Not sure how bosa & burns are in the same mold?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
From what I'm reading, seems more in the Nick Bosa/Brian Burns mold than Dee Ford. Is that accurate?

Is his size/speed the reason why he's looked at as a 2nd round pick? Personally, I'd love Roche. He can start off on 3rd downs and as he gains strength with NFL level strength and conditioning, he can ultimately become a 3-down player.

I still would like a speed rusher however lol.

Not sure how bosa & burns are in the same mold?

Both came into the league being pretty developed as pass rushers. Both are great athletes too but weren't simply winning on athletic ability alone, even though they can. Roche seem to be nearly at the same level in terms of talent, but how he wins (based on what I'm reading here, with his hands, variety of moves, ability to win inside and outside) is why I'm making the comp.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Both came into the league being pretty developed as pass rushers. Both are great athletes too but weren't simply winning on athletic ability alone, even though they can. Roche seem to be nearly at the same level in terms of talent, but how he wins (based on what I'm reading here, with his hands, variety of moves, ability to win inside and outside) is why I'm making the comp.

Hmmm I'm not seeing it...Bosa is one of the most complete edge rushers to come out in a while. From a nuance perspective he can do it all. He's got bend, amazing speed to power, counters and plus athletic ability.

loved burns he wasn't as polished as Bosa, wasn't seeing that speed to power. Not on the same level with the inside moves. Still a stud though.

I've see Roche comped to Shaquil Barrett, Noah Spence, Chase Winovich etc.

he's got more than one move there's a plan there. Maybe that's what you're getting at? He's not just relying on being more athletic then the other guy.

I have him in my original mock, Good value. We will see.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Both came into the league being pretty developed as pass rushers. Both are great athletes too but weren't simply winning on athletic ability alone, even though they can. Roche seem to be nearly at the same level in terms of talent, but how he wins (based on what I'm reading here, with his hands, variety of moves, ability to win inside and outside) is why I'm making the comp.

Hmmm I'm not seeing it...Bosa is one of the most complete edge rushers to come out in a while. From a nuance perspective he can do it all. He's got bend, amazing speed to power, counters and plus athletic ability.

loved burns he wasn't as polished as Bosa, wasn't seeing that speed to power. Not on the same level with the inside moves. Still a stud though.

I've see Roche comped to Shaquil Barrett, Noah Spence, Chase Winovich etc.

he's got more than one move there's a plan there. Maybe that's what you're getting at? He's not just relying on being more athletic then the other guy.

I have him in my original mock, Good value. We will see.

That's exactly where I was going. Like the value better in the 2nd than Ojulari inthe first (who I'm perfectly okay with). Can take Slater 1st and Roche second.

Just based on what I see on tape and measurables without the pro day stuff, I think you can get Roche at the start of day 3.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Just based on what I see on tape and measurables without the pro day stuff, I think you can get Roche at the start of day 3.

He dominated senior bowl. No way he's there day 3

Originally posted by krizay:
He dominated senior bowl. No way he's there day 3

Quincy Roche did well, but he didn't dominate. If you want to domination, go back and watch Aaron Donald's Senior Bowl. I don't think he lost a single rep the entire week--not one. There's a massive difference.

Quincy Roche is 6'2", 243 lbs with 32" arms. Dude has many red flags on his measurables. And I like Quincy. I made the freaken thread. You just gotta be objective and keep it honest.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Quincy Roche did well, but he didn't dominate. If you want to domination, go back and watch Aaron Donald's Senior Bowl. I don't think he lost a single rep the entire week--not one. There's a massive difference.

Quincy Roche is 6'2", 243 lbs with 32" arms. Dude has many red flags on his measurables. And I like Quincy. I made the freaken thread. You just gotta be objective and keep it honest.

From the portions I watched he was unblockable.

Every mock and everything I see him going late 1st middle of the 2nd. I just don't see day 3

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Quincy Roche did well, but he didn't dominate. If you want to domination, go back and watch Aaron Donald's Senior Bowl. I don't think he lost a single rep the entire week--not one. There's a massive difference.

Quincy Roche is 6'2", 243 lbs with 32" arms. Dude has many red flags on his measurables. And I like Quincy. I made the freaken thread. You just gotta be objective and keep it honest.

From the portions I watched he was unblockable.

Every mock and everything I see him going late 1st middle of the 2nd. I just don't see day 3

The best case scenario I think would be a trade up in the 3rd, prob around pick 80.