The Fatal Fourway: Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones; Enter and declare your allegiance!

Originally posted by Joecool:
Does anyone have any concerns about the weight of a QB? To me, under 220 is a QB that has a better chance at getting hurt or not being able to shake off defenders while in the pocket.

Definitely have doubts about a QB under 210.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Does anyone have any concerns about the weight of a QB? To me, under 220 is a QB that has a better chance at getting hurt or not being able to shake off defenders while in the pocket.

Definitely have doubts about a QB under 210.

Montana and Steve Young were probably both under 210 lbs. It depends how tall you are too. If you are 6'4" or 6'6" with a similar build you probably weigh more than a 6'1" or 6'2" guy with a similar frame.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Will someone who is obsessed with Lance or Fields elucidate what it is they think makes one a better prospect than the other?

I have my own opinions on the two, and while I see some differences, and different strengths and weaknesses, I really can't decide which I'd prefer. So please, tell me why you like one over the other.

They are both athletic and can run and show a strong and accurate arm.

Fields - Big program and the highest level of competition. But can be inconsistent. Sometimes he looks like the next big star but he can be terrible in stretches too.

Lance - Lower College level. Big jump up to NFL level of competition. He has the physical tools. But can he make the jump up to the competition at the next level? Will he look that good in the NFL? At his level he was like a man among boys. But that won't be the case anymore. So he is hard to evaluate.

If I had to guess I would say Fields likely is closer to a sure thing in the NFL. Although there are no sure things. I would pick Fields and he may actually be the 2nd best QB in this class. He's no worse than 3rd best I'd say. I don't know what you get with Lance. He has the physical tools and upside but it will likely take him a while to learn.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I grade Wilson and Fields practically the same, so as everyone is Wilson. I'll join team Fields

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Will someone who is obsessed with Lance or Fields elucidate what it is they think makes one a better prospect than the other?

I have my own opinions on the two, and while I see some differences, and different strengths and weaknesses, I really can't decide which I'd prefer. So please, tell me why you like one over the other.

They are both athletic and can run and show a strong and accurate arm.

Fields - Big program and the highest level of competition. But can be inconsistent. Sometimes he looks like the next big star but he can be terrible in stretches too.

Lance - Lower College level. Big jump up to NFL level of competition. He has the physical tools. But can he make the jump up to the competition at the next level? Will he look that good in the NFL? At his level he was like a man among boys. But that won't be the case anymore. So he is hard to evaluate.

If I had to guess I would say Fields likely is closer to a sure thing in the NFL. Although there are no sure things. I would pick Fields and he may actually be the 2nd best QB in this class. He's no worse than 3rd best I'd say. I don't know what you get with Lance. He has the physical tools and upside but it will likely take him a while to learn.

Yeah, I thought it was something like that. The biggest difference I see from them is Lance is probably stronger (a bit more of a bruiser), Fields is faster, Lance ran something closer to what we run (including many plays that are identical to what we run), Fields is more accurate and seems more able to throw with someone in his line of site, Lance is younger and (I believe) had more control at the line of scrimmage.

So it's such a hard choice for me. Lance is almost two years younger, though.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Oh, and Trey Lance is aware that GPS data is more reliable than a 40 time. That's already a plus for me.

I also love how he interviews. Dude seems like a grown man at only 20 years old.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This is very complicated and tricky. I personally feel there is a big drop off after Trevor Lawrence. Obviously so. We can't do anything about that. I feel the 49ers might be slightly overrating these guys and forcing the issue. I'm not entirely happy about how much they traded away. I don't feel any of these guys are sure fire super stars. But some of them have really big upside. If you hit this is probably worth it. If you miss this is a lot of 1st rounders and a 3rd round pick to give up. If they miss Shanahan and Lynch are gone.

1) Trevor Lawrence. #1 pick. Best player in the draft. One of highest rated QB's coming out in 20 years in the draft. Gone before we pick. Enough said.

2) Zach Wilson. Probably the most NFL ready guy in our group of possible QB's. He's athletic, accurate, big enough, strong enough arm. But I don't feel he is a super elite prospect as gifted as some. Nothing is a guarantee. But I have a good feeling about him for the NFL level.

3) Justin Fields. From big time program. At times looks like the next big NFL star. But then can look like a bum too. Can he get more consistent and not have the mental letdowns? There is talent there. But I'm not sure. He is ahead of the next because of the big time program.

4) Trey Lance. He may have the highest upside of the group. Could be a real star if it works out. He can run and throw very accurately and is athletic. But the lower competition level has him a bit below the others for now. North Dakota State to the NFL is a big jump. It has been done with Wentz. I'm just saying you never know. This is a big jump in competition level. So he could bust too. But the upside is really big. Maybe the biggest of the bunch.

5) Mac Jones. I see him as more mid to late 1st round. I wouldn't pick him top 3 overall. He is surrounded by talent and isn't really that athletic. It's hard to say how good he is. But he does read the field well and is an accurate thrower. That much is in his favor. He's not bad. I just don't think he has the upside of some of the other players.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This is very complicated and tricky. I personally feel there is a big drop off after Trevor Lawrence. Obviously so. We can't do anything about that. I feel the 49ers might be slightly overrating these guys and forcing the issue. I'm not entirely happy about how much they traded away. I don't feel any of these guys are sure fire super stars. But some of them have really big upside. If you hit this is probably worth it. If you miss this is a lot of 1st rounders and a 3rd round pick to give up. If they miss Shanahan and Lynch are gone.

Originally posted by Costanza:
I still have pretty much the same preferences as when this started:
1) Zach Wilson
2) Trey Lance
3) Justin Fields
4) Jones

Have any of you changed your rankings since you started looking into these guys? Or are you starting to dig in more on who you like?