The Fatal Fourway: Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones; Enter and declare your allegiance!

Originally posted by Joecool:
Someone tell me how Mac Jones makes sense. I 100% respect his QB ability, but can't we get a Mac Jones in free agency practically any year we want? According to the jump we made in the draft and what we gave up, tell me how this makes sense for Mac Jones. It's like giving up three 1st rounders for Kirk Cousins. We could have just done that and I'm sure MN would have done it.

Who is the Mac Jones that is available in free agency every year?

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Someone tell me how Mac Jones makes sense. I 100% respect his QB ability, but can't we get a Mac Jones in free agency practically any year we want? According to the jump we made in the draft and what we gave up, tell me how this makes sense for Mac Jones. It's like giving up three 1st rounders for Kirk Cousins. We could have just done that and I'm sure MN would have done it.

Who is the Mac Jones that is available in free agency every year?

You don't think MN would trade us Kirk Cousins for three 1st rounders? You don't think we could have gotten Tom Brady for three 1st rounders back in 2019?

We can get a Mac Jones for three 1st rounders any year we want because NFL Teams would be wiling to trade that type of QB in a heart beat for three 1st rounders. You don't give up that much draft capital for a QB who's main strength is that he can read defenses...in college...

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Someone tell me how Mac Jones makes sense. I 100% respect his QB ability, but can't we get a Mac Jones in free agency practically any year we want? According to the jump we made in the draft and what we gave up, tell me how this makes sense for Mac Jones. It's like giving up three 1st rounders for Kirk Cousins. We could have just done that and I'm sure MN would have done it.

Who is the Mac Jones that is available in free agency every year?

You don't think MN would trade us Kirk Cousins for three 1st rounders? You don't think we could have gotten Tom Brady for three 1st rounders back in 2019?

We can get a Mac Jones for three 1st rounders any year we want because NFL Teams would be wiling to trade that type of QB in a heart beat for three 1st rounders. You don't give up that much draft capital for a QB who's main strength is that he can read defenses...in college...

As of now I'm leaning towards Fields. The 'scheme fit' talk surrounding Mac is pointless and erroneous imo. Erroneous because there wasn't a lot that Mac did in college that SF does in their current offense. Pointless because the rookie will not be asked to play immediately so what's the point of looking for scheme fit? The rookie will get to sit as he learns and as Kyle molds the offense to better fit the abilities of the QB. If the QB can operate from the pocket, Kyle will consider him. But if you are prioritizing scheme fit in your evaluation, that player is Lance. But Lance has way too many big questions - level of competition, lack of experience in big time games (when compared to the Mac/Fields), lack of overall experience. I care very little for his reps on designed QB runs.

My primary concern with Fields is his pocket presence and how he looks blind to the rush at times. I'm not sure how much a QB can improve at this so I'm very wary of it. The other concern I have is how he wants to see the WR open before throwing the pass. I saw a good number of snaps where he waits a tick longer than he needs to. I read that OSU had many option routes and how that could explain it. I think this can be improved with confidence in the play concept which I think Kyle can provide. I didn't consider Wilson because I'm assuming he's going to NYJ.

The Mac talk is all just to generate clicks since Santa Clara doesn't leak and nobody knows what their plans are. That being said he's not a bad QB but he's not trade 3 1st rounders good either. I'm 90% sure it will be Fields. That 10% is if somehow Wilson is available.

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Someone tell me how Mac Jones makes sense. I 100% respect his QB ability, but can't we get a Mac Jones in free agency practically any year we want? According to the jump we made in the draft and what we gave up, tell me how this makes sense for Mac Jones. It's like giving up three 1st rounders for Kirk Cousins. We could have just done that and I'm sure MN would have done it.

Who is the Mac Jones that is available in free agency every year?

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Originally posted by Young2Owens:
The Mac talk is all just to generate clicks since Santa Clara doesn't leak and nobody knows what their plans are. That being said he's not a bad QB but he's not trade 3 1st rounders good either. I'm 90% sure it will be Fields. That 10% is if somehow Wilson is available.

Fields isn't 3 1st round picks good either. Only guy worth it this year is going #1 overall. That's what makes our move so puzzling since we only moved up to #3 and we have a QB on the roster that we were able to get to a superbowl with but we gotta trust Kyle on this. It's a massive deal however because he's probably put his 49er career on the line over this move.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
The Mac talk is all just to generate clicks since Santa Clara doesn't leak and nobody knows what their plans are. That being said he's not a bad QB but he's not trade 3 1st rounders good either. I'm 90% sure it will be Fields. That 10% is if somehow Wilson is available.

Fields isn't 3 1st round picks good either. Only guy worth it this year is going #1 overall. That's what makes our move so puzzling since we only moved up to #3 and we have a QB on the roster that we were able to get to a superbowl with but we gotta trust Kyle on this. It's a massive deal however because he's probably put his 49er career on the line over this move.

Probably true but he's definitely more worthy of it as a prospect than Jones.

My vote is for Lance. The ball coming out of his hand is just so much different than the rest. And he has the most upside and ceiling. It's a risk no matter what QB we take, So may as well draft the guy with the highest ceiling.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Someone tell me how Mac Jones makes sense. I 100% respect his QB ability, but can't we get a Mac Jones in free agency practically any year we want? According to the jump we made in the draft and what we gave up, tell me how this makes sense for Mac Jones. It's like giving up three 1st rounders for Kirk Cousins. We could have just done that and I'm sure MN would have done it.

Who is the Mac Jones that is available in free agency every year?

You don't think MN would trade us Kirk Cousins for three 1st rounders? You don't think we could have gotten Tom Brady for three 1st rounders back in 2019?

We can get a Mac Jones for three 1st rounders any year we want because NFL Teams would be wiling to trade that type of QB in a heart beat for three 1st rounders. You don't give up that much draft capital for a QB who's main strength is that he can read defenses...in college...

Cousins is 32. Jones is 22.

Brain: Pudgy Cracker
Heart: Fields of Dreams
Wish: Wilson!!!! (on an island alone with Kyle)

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Someone tell me how Mac Jones makes sense. I 100% respect his QB ability, but can't we get a Mac Jones in free agency practically any year we want? According to the jump we made in the draft and what we gave up, tell me how this makes sense for Mac Jones. It's like giving up three 1st rounders for Kirk Cousins. We could have just done that and I'm sure MN would have done it.

Who is the Mac Jones that is available in free agency every year?

You don't think MN would trade us Kirk Cousins for three 1st rounders? You don't think we could have gotten Tom Brady for three 1st rounders back in 2019?

We can get a Mac Jones for three 1st rounders any year we want because NFL Teams would be wiling to trade that type of QB in a heart beat for three 1st rounders. You don't give up that much draft capital for a QB who's main strength is that he can read defenses...in college...

Cousins is 32. Jones is 22.

Cousins is also making $33 million a season and Jones will be on a rookie deal.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Someone tell me how Mac Jones makes sense. I 100% respect his QB ability, but can't we get a Mac Jones in free agency practically any year we want? According to the jump we made in the draft and what we gave up, tell me how this makes sense for Mac Jones. It's like giving up three 1st rounders for Kirk Cousins. We could have just done that and I'm sure MN would have done it.

Who is the Mac Jones that is available in free agency every year?

You don't think MN would trade us Kirk Cousins for three 1st rounders? You don't think we could have gotten Tom Brady for three 1st rounders back in 2019?

We can get a Mac Jones for three 1st rounders any year we want because NFL Teams would be wiling to trade that type of QB in a heart beat for three 1st rounders. You don't give up that much draft capital for a QB who's main strength is that he can read defenses...in college...

Cousins is 32. Jones is 22.

Still not worth all that draft capital.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Cousins is 32. Jones is 22.

Cousins is proven. Jones is a project.

Originally posted by thl408:
As of now I'm leaning towards Fields. The 'scheme fit' talk surrounding Mac is pointless and erroneous imo. Erroneous because there wasn't a lot that Mac did in college that SF does in their current offense. Pointless because the rookie will not be asked to play immediately so what's the point of looking for scheme fit? The rookie will get to sit as he learns and as Kyle molds the offense to better fit the abilities of the QB. If the QB can operate from the pocket, Kyle will consider him. But if you are prioritizing scheme fit in your evaluation, that player is Lance. But Lance has way too many big questions - level of competition, lack of experience in big time games (when compared to the Mac/Fields), lack of overall experience. I care very little for his reps on designed QB runs.

My primary concern with Fields is his pocket presence and how he looks blind to the rush at times. I'm not sure how much a QB can improve at this so I'm very wary of it. The other concern I have is how he wants to see the WR open before throwing the pass. I saw a good number of snaps where he waits a tick longer than he needs to. I read that OSU had many option routes and how that could explain it. I think this can be improved with confidence in the play concept which I think Kyle can provide. I didn't consider Wilson because I'm assuming he's going to NYJ.

I don't think it's "scheme fit" with Jones in terms of plays run, so much as it is "pro QB actions" that he has done, in particular, in the pocket.

That said, Fields will enter the NFL with top five arm talent. That doesn't grow on trees. As you said, he's going to sit anyway, which is plenty of time to learn Shanahan's scheme well enough to play.

As for Fields and the issues with anticipation throws, that was Kaepernick's downfall. However, the difference is Fields doesn't have a molasses in January release speed, and Fields can throw with touch as good as anyone. Not to mention he's more accurate.

Look, Kaepernick played just below Pro Bowl level when he was in a good scheme with a good coach and on a good team. Fields is way more polished than Kaepernick, he's way quicker, way more accurate, and he has a much faster release. That is why taking Fields would NOT be anything close to a mistake, and in fact it could pay massive dividends. If Kaepernick can have success, so can Fields, and then some.

That's why, while I STRONGLY believe that QBs rarely improve a lot in terms of the mental aspects (which is why I loved Mahomes so much [I'm perfectly willing to detail what I'm talking about in his thread]), nevertheless, lots of guys have success without every truly mastering that. Transcendent talent and scheme can cover up a lot of flaws, and kill a defense.