The Fatal Fourway: Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones; Enter and declare your allegiance!

I'm trying to triangulate my way in to a solid preference by imagining Fields playing within Bama's system with their coaches and weapons and vice versa with Mac Jones, Lance and Wilson . . . and then any one of them in the Shanahan system. I'm still where I was a week ago. I'd prefer Wilson if available, then Fields, then Jones/Lance in a toss up.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
I'm trying to triangulate my way in to a solid preference by imagining Fields playing within Bama's system with their coaches and weapons and vice versa with Mac Jones, Lance and Wilson . . . and then any one of them in the Shanahan system. I'm still where I was a week ago. I'd prefer Wilson if available, then Fields, then Jones/Lance in a toss up.

We drafting the biggest and most athletic QB at 3 and then drafting a safe QB later in the draft.

^^^Justin Fields can't be stopped under center^^^

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
^^^Justin Fields can't be stopped under center^^^

Outstanding numbers from under center for sure.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

I'm sure folks will draw their own conclusions from this and I'll have more on it next week. But just think it's worth looking at what QBs have been asked to do and how they've done it relative to where they go when discussing how they might fit/project in an offense.(End thread)

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

As long as there are enough snaps to make an evaluation of the QB and how comfortable he is from under center, I think that's all that matters. Whether one guy does it more than the other isn't very relevant imo. The rookie will sit one year to learn so I don't think scheme fit is as important for the SF rookie as it would be for a rookie that will be asked to play extensively.
(I'm speaking to the tweeter.) Thanks for sharing that those stats.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
^^^Justin Fields can't be stopped under center^^^

Outstanding numbers from under center for sure.

Bodes well. One thing that college QBs don't do enough of is under center without playaction. That's where we get to see a QB's footwork.

Here's my reactions to drafting each of these QBs and it seems the majority feel this way as well:

• Mac Jones = okay, I guess we will stay on the same path for some years now and for cheap. Hope Jimmy G doesn't get hurt and we see the gunslinger Jimmy G again. If not, then we won't drop much with Jones.
• Justin Fields = Alright! Let's f**ken run some circles around these NFL D Coordinators!
• Trey Lance = We running the ball a lot with efficient passing and we about to bully and beat teams up!

2 of the 3 lean toward a more dominating offense.

As if the Smith/Rodgers decision wasn't tough enough! I believe that Shanahan and the O coaches can turn any of the top draftees into an excellent starting quarterback.

I did wonder if the Jets were sticking with Darnold but as he is gone, it seems 98% certain that they will take Wilson, and Lawrence will of course be gone. I don't see Jones as a great fit. If we are hanging on to Garoppolo for another season and not just into this draft then I think there is a good chance that it is Lance. He is something of a gamble but looks to have sky high potential. Otherwise, I would go for Fields. And if the team are planning on trading Garoppolo before the season, then Fields for sure.

Originally posted by English:
As if the Smith/Rodgers decision wasn't tough enough! I believe that Shanahan and the O coaches can turn any of the top draftees into an excellent starting quarterback.

I did wonder if the Jets were sticking with Darnold but as he is gone, it seems 98% certain that they will take Wilson, and Lawrence will of course be gone. I don't see Jones as a great fit. If we are hanging on to Garoppolo for another season and not just into this draft then I think there is a good chance that it is Lance. He is something of a gamble but looks to have sky high potential. Otherwise, I would go for Fields. And if the team are planning on trading Garoppolo before the season, then Fields for sure.

2% we trade JG + #3 to NYJ for #2!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saleh must win now.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's my reactions to drafting each of these QBs and it seems the majority feel this way as well:

• Mac Jones = okay, I guess we will stay on the same path for some years now and for cheap. Hope Jimmy G doesn't get hurt and we see the gunslinger Jimmy G again. If not, then we won't drop much with Jones.
• Justin Fields = Alright! Let's f**ken run some circles around these NFL D Coordinators!
• Trey Lance = We running the ball a lot with efficient passing and we about to bully and beat teams up!

2 of the 3 lean toward a more dominating offense.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840871-ranking-the-top-10-offenses-in-nfl-history

They all have something in common and if you add 2019 KC to this list it continues it.

From 2017: all we have to base any conjectures are his evaluation history.

Shanahan decided against taking North Carolina's Mitchell Trubisky (Bears), Clemson's Deshaun Watson (Texans) and Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs). Beathard was the sixth quarterback selected.

"None of them were just standing out to where it was like, this guy's a slam drunk to start right away," Shanahan said on the Rich Eisen Show Friday. "They all had their different traits. All the guys that went early, you could see why. They all had ability and they have a great chance to be very successful in this league. But I didn't think anyone was just a slam drunk, ready to put in and play right away."

And given the lack of sure-fire franchise quarterbacks that can win Super Bowls, taking a shot on a signal caller in the first round is a gamble if the prospect isn't as talented as former top picks like Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck or Cam Newton.

"Rarely do you go through a year where there are guys like that. It's a real tough position," Shanahan said. "I think you look at everyone in the league, there's probably about 10 to 12 guys that franchises aren't trying to replace.

"If there's only 10 to 12 guys, that doesn't mean that a franchise guy is coming out every year. There's always a chance of one, but it's always a gamble. All those guys had ability, but no one's a slam dunk. It takes a lot of work and a lot of talent. You got to make sure make sure you put the right people around them also."

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/19/kyle-shanahan-no-qbs-in-nfl-draft-were-day-1-starters/

I thought I saw an article where Kyle had ranked some of the QB's that have been drafted during his time in the NFL.

Here's my hypothesis on why we are seeing all this smoke about Mac. The Jets are about to implement the same offensive system as the 49ers and they also select before the 49ers. You might say, "who cares they are taking Wilson, what do they want with Fields?".

The 49ers do not want to show their interest in Fields because it could cause the Jets to re-consider. "Hell yeah, then we get ZWilson!". Here's the kicker, the 49ers prefer Fields.

It's not impossible the above is happening.

I know this has been posted before but again I want people to tell me how you can read this and still think we would trade 3 firsts for Mac Jones.

It screams Justin Fields. But could even be Wilson or Lance.

"You start to see you can win football games with any type of quarterback as long as they are good enough and you can be good enough in hundreds of different ways. So, I evaluate quarterbacks in terms of trying to find people who can have a chance to be one of those elite-type guys and there's lots of different ways to do it… I don't think you have one certain thing you're looking for. You're just trying to find a guy who is better than about 98-percent of the people on this planet or in this country and when you find that, you get him and you adjust to him"

The whole logic for Jones is Shannahan is stubborn in wanting a guy that fits his system even if he's a lesser talent.

Like I've said all along. This trade and everything they have said speaks of an attempt to get a potential top 5 NFL quarterback. Not just another guy who can fit his scheme as is.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

A lot of discussion about the QB fits for the #49ers at No. 3. Wanted to look to see who was doing the things the Niners ask most of their QBs. Obviously, all drafted players are a projection but worth looking at considering Kyle Shanahan mentioned "comfort" with 3 QBs. (Thread)

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

Since Shanahan took over in '17, #49ers have taken the 3rd-most total snaps under center (52.13& of offensive snaps). They also have 3rd-most drop backs under center and 3rd-most play-action drop backs under center in that span. 33.8% of total passing yards off PA in that span.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

Clearly, #49ers put a premium on the ability to do those things with their QB. Doesn't mean they can't expand or adapt (and they should!) based on their QB's skills. But worth noting how the top QBs have done in these areas in college...

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

North Dakota State QB Trey Lance in his college career:

- 30% of drop backs came from under center
- 24.3% of drop backs came from under center with PA
Under center: 65-95 (68.4%), 992 yards, 13 TD, 1 Int
Under center w/ PA: 53-77 (68.8%), 847 yards, 12 TD, 0 Int

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

Ohio State QB Justin Fields in his college career:

- 6.3% of drop backs came from under center
- 5.8% of drop backs came from under center with PA
Under center: 27-36 (75%) for 412 yards, 8 TD, 0 Int
Under center w/ PA: 26-35 (74.3%), 384 yards, 8 TD, 0 Int

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

Alabama QB Mac Jones in his college career:

- 1.9% of drop backs came from under center (11 total drop backs)
- 1.9% of drop backs from under center with PA (all 11)
Under center AND under center with PA: 6-10 for 53 yds, 3 TD-1 Int

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

I'm sure folks will draw their own conclusions from this and I'll have more on it next week. But just think it's worth looking at what QBs have been asked to do and how they've done it relative to where they go when discussing how they might fit/project in an offense.(End thread)

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) April 5, 2021

Yup, Drawn my conclusion: Mac Jones doesn't fit this offense at all. Somebody send these stats to Kyle.