The Fatal Fourway: Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones; Enter and declare your allegiance!

Originally posted by Murphys1:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Jones would be a safe pick but they didn't need to move up tht much to get him. I'm afraid if they pass on Lance or Fields that peopel on this board will be complaining 2 year from now that they passed up their chance to get a franchise QB. A real difference maker.

I'm not saying that I know for sure that Lance or Fields will be great but they have way more upside than Jones. In my mind, Jones would be just a younger, cheaper JG.

I hear you. I understand every opinion. For me it's simple. Jones is a solid QB. He's a healthy and younger Jimmy. That's not a bad thing, but you can get a Jones type in middle rounds even.

Give me Fields who can do everything Jones does and then he can do everything Jones cannot because you cannot coach arm talent and athleticism etc.

I agree with you about Fields for sure....but to think you can get Jones-like talent and intangibles in the mid rounds is not true. You can get a "Jones-type," but not Jones. He's more special than that. That said, I would have preferred Jones at 12, and Fields or Wilson at 3. Lance at 6-12. Always a risk to wait though. Jones in the top 10 is gaining steam.

I always thought the other four qb would go top 5 which would automatically increase Jones value and someone would jump up to get him and be done with it.

He's a good prospect and if you have a solid roster he makes sense. But we gave up two first rounders now to get to three and imo that's not Jones. Certainly not with Fields and Lance there.

I still think many prospects are like Jones, but from smaller programs. We could argue Jones has an all star cast around him so how will that translate to the NFL etc.

Fields was at Georgia!? Oh you know fro wont have any of that.

Looking at past drafts, when was the last time the top 4 QBs selected in a draft all panned out? I went back to 2000 to check and it isn't pretty. Someone is going to draft a bust.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I hope it's Wilson so bad. There isn't another QB not named Lawrence who is worth it imo.

This. wilson or nothing.

Put me on the Wilson-only boat, too.

Originally posted by thl408:
Looking at past drafts, when was the last time the top 4 QBs selected in a draft all panned out? I went back to 2000 to check and it isn't pretty. Someone is going to draft a bust.

I think Lawrence and Jones are the least likely to bust.

course, just because Fields for example could bust if taken by some other team doesn't mean he'll bust for us 🤞🏽

I prefer Fields but Jones isn't just "a younger Jimmy" like people here are saying. Jones on tape has a waaay better deep ball and ability to throw his receivers open and in stride.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Jones would be a safe pick but they didn't need to move up tht much to get him. I'm afraid if they pass on Lance or Fields that peopel on this board will be complaining 2 year from now that they passed up their chance to get a franchise QB. A real difference maker.

I'm not saying that I know for sure that Lance or Fields will be great but they have way more upside than Jones. In my mind, Jones would be just a younger, cheaper JG.

I hear you. I understand every opinion. For me it's simple. Jones is a solid QB. He's a healthy and younger Jimmy. That's not a bad thing, but you can get a Jones type in middle rounds even.

Give me Fields who can do everything Jones does and then he can do everything Jones cannot because you cannot coach arm talent and athleticism etc.

Which mid-round QB compares to Jones? Guys that fit the Shanahan mold — but are actually good — are becoming the white rhino of college football. Yeah, you can get immobile QBs who stand in the pocket in the middle rounds. And they'll suck balls, like C.J. Beathard. Jones is the ONLY QB in this draft who fits the Shanahan mold whose name isn't Zach Wilson that comes out of college with NFL starter pedigree. No one else (excepting Wilson) has the accuracy, pocket awareness, arm talent (in terms of throwing off platform using upper body torque), who also fits that Shanahan mold, is in this draft. At all.

So, the only way Shanahan wouldn't desperately want Jones is if either (a) Wilson was available or (b) he has changed his quarterback preference profile.

I doubt either is realistic.

Oh, and Fields CAN'T do everything Jones can do. Fields can't anticipate as good as Jones, he's not nearly as quick a processor, and he doesn't have the same pocket awareness. Of course, Jones can't do a bunch of things Fields can do, as we all know (side note: I have been on the Fields bandwagon for some time, so don't take this as some biased rant; I'm looking at this from a perspective of what Shanahan wants). But the question is, is what Fields is great at what Shanahan wants? I think so, but I do not think he would want them if it meant not having the other things he wants (the things Wilson and Jones have).

Originally posted by thl408:

Looking at past drafts, when was the last time the top 4 QBs selected in a draft all panned out? I went back to 2000 to check and it isn't pretty. Someone is going to draft a bust.

The hit right on a 1st round QB is much higher than other rounds though.

Additionally, I also think when you look at the folks that missed (e.g. Winston - Bucs, Mariota - Titans), you can attribute some of those misses to incompetent coaching that eventually caused churn, new FOs and/or staff, and new replacement starters (Brady and Tannehill, respectively).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Jones would be a safe pick but they didn't need to move up tht much to get him. I'm afraid if they pass on Lance or Fields that peopel on this board will be complaining 2 year from now that they passed up their chance to get a franchise QB. A real difference maker.

I'm not saying that I know for sure that Lance or Fields will be great but they have way more upside than Jones. In my mind, Jones would be just a younger, cheaper JG.

I hear you. I understand every opinion. For me it's simple. Jones is a solid QB. He's a healthy and younger Jimmy. That's not a bad thing, but you can get a Jones type in middle rounds even.

Give me Fields who can do everything Jones does and then he can do everything Jones cannot because you cannot coach arm talent and athleticism etc.

Which mid-round QB compares to Jones? Guys that fit the Shanahan mold — but are actually good — are becoming the white rhino of college football. Yeah, you can get immobile QBs who stand in the pocket in the middle rounds. And they'll suck balls, like C.J. Beathard. Jones is the ONLY QB in this draft who fits the Shanahan mold whose name isn't Zach Wilson that comes out of college with NFL starter pedigree. No one else (excepting Wilson) has the accuracy, pocket awareness, arm talent (in terms of throwing off platform using upper body torque), who also fits that Shanahan mold, is in this draft. At all.

So, the only way Shanahan wouldn't desperately want Jones is if either (a) Wilson was available or (b) he has changed his quarterback preference profile.

I doubt either is realistic.

Oh, and Fields CAN'T do everything Jones can do. Fields can't anticipate as good as Jones, he's not nearly as quick a processor, and he doesn't have the same pocket awareness. Of course, Jones can't do a bunch of things Fields can do, as we all know (side note: I have been on the Fields bandwagon for some time, so don't take this as some biased rant; I'm looking at this from a perspective of what Shanahan wants). But the question is, is what Fields is great at what Shanahan wants? I think so, but I do not think he would want them if it meant not having the other things he wants (the things Wilson and Jones have).

Top shelf summary

I'm choosing Zach Wilson, but I'm not gonna cry like a b***h if its Mac Jones, lol.

Fields/Wilson

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Jones would be a safe pick but they didn't need to move up tht much to get him. I'm afraid if they pass on Lance or Fields that peopel on this board will be complaining 2 year from now that they passed up their chance to get a franchise QB. A real difference maker.

I'm not saying that I know for sure that Lance or Fields will be great but they have way more upside than Jones. In my mind, Jones would be just a younger, cheaper JG.

I hear you. I understand every opinion. For me it's simple. Jones is a solid QB. He's a healthy and younger Jimmy. That's not a bad thing, but you can get a Jones type in middle rounds even.

Give me Fields who can do everything Jones does and then he can do everything Jones cannot because you cannot coach arm talent and athleticism etc.

Which mid-round QB compares to Jones? Guys that fit the Shanahan mold — but are actually good — are becoming the white rhino of college football. Yeah, you can get immobile QBs who stand in the pocket in the middle rounds. And they'll suck balls, like C.J. Beathard. Jones is the ONLY QB in this draft who fits the Shanahan mold whose name isn't Zach Wilson that comes out of college with NFL starter pedigree. No one else (excepting Wilson) has the accuracy, pocket awareness, arm talent (in terms of throwing off platform using upper body torque), who also fits that Shanahan mold, is in this draft. At all.

So, the only way Shanahan wouldn't desperately want Jones is if either (a) Wilson was available or (b) he has changed his quarterback preference profile.

I doubt either is realistic.

Oh, and Fields CAN'T do everything Jones can do. Fields can't anticipate as good as Jones, he's not nearly as quick a processor, and he doesn't have the same pocket awareness. Of course, Jones can't do a bunch of things Fields can do, as we all know (side note: I have been on the Fields bandwagon for some time, so don't take this as some biased rant; I'm looking at this from a perspective of what Shanahan wants). But the question is, is what Fields is great at what Shanahan wants? I think so, but I do not think he would want them if it meant not having the other things he wants (the things Wilson and Jones have).

Jones has monster talent around him so imo that has to be accounted for. That's good and bad. But I know you're right about Kyle loving Jones.l, her certainly fits his mold. I'm biased for Fields and I believe Kyle can win with him. Jones ain't rolling out and dropping a 60 yard dime like Fields can.

Jones isn't turning a busted play by the o-line into a 25 yard gain. This is where my bias comes from. As far as processing and pocket awareness. Isnt that what Kyle is for? I actually think Fields has very good pocket presence.

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by thl408:
Looking at past drafts, when was the last time the top 4 QBs selected in a draft all panned out? I went back to 2000 to check and it isn't pretty. Someone is going to draft a bust.

The hit right on a 1st round QB is much higher than other rounds though.

Additionally, I also think when you look at the folks that missed (e.g. Winston - Bucs, Mariota - Titans), you can attribute some of those misses to incompetent coaching that eventually caused churn, new FOs and/or staff, and new replacement starters (Brady and Tannehill, respectively).

Yes. I'm realistic and obviously not all 4 will be successful. Imo Trevor is the only one safe. I think Fields will be fine. Jones will be a backup at worst, but for a top 5 pick that's a bust lol. I feel like Lance could bust. It's roulette.

Originally posted by thl408:
Looking at past drafts, when was the last time the top 4 QBs selected in a draft all panned out? I went back to 2000 to check and it isn't pretty. Someone is going to draft a bust.

2002 and 2003 were especially bad years for teams picking 1st round QBs. 2004 was really good, but there was still the JP Losman stinker in there.

In 2005 we drafted Alex. He and Rodgers have both started the majority of their 15+ year careers and made pro-bowls. Rodgers has had a Hall of Fame career though, but Alex was successful as well even with getting stuck on our terrible team with terrible coaching for years. But Jason Campbell was a pure bust in that class too.

In 2011 the first pick was Cam Newton (OK), but by pick 12 3 more QBs were off the board - Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder .

If 5 QBs go in the first round, I expect that at least 2 of them will bust.

Wilson
fields
jones
lance

I feel good about all 4 but def want year 1 to sit and absorb if possible with a healthy starter if that's Jimmy or Minshew or whom ever they have.

Originally posted by thl408:
Looking at past drafts, when was the last time the top 4 QBs selected in a draft all panned out? I went back to 2000 to check and it isn't pretty. Someone is going to draft a bust.

Fair enough, but we all know that situation matters, so I'll ask this.

When was a last time a team went to the Superbowl, and then picked a top 5 QB a year later?