The Fatal Fourway: Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones; Enter and declare your allegiance!

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Team Trask b***hes!

Are you kidding?

Give me Fields. Can't teach his physical attributes, and he's performed at the highest level of college football and in some of the biggest moments. His game against Clemson this year is one of the best games I've ever seen from a collegiate QB, and he almost got broken in half during the game but kept slinging.

Was listening to Middlekauf's podcast yesterday, and he made a great point about how Kyle had waxed poetic after watching Josh Allen shred our defense. Kyle basically went on a verbal QB clinic explaining what made Allen so great in that offense. No bleeping way he watches that and then takes someone like Jones. I'm assuming NYJ are taking Wilson, and to be honest I hope they do. I'd rather have Fields leading us the next 15 years.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Team Trask b***hes!

Are you kidding?

Trask or bust!

Originally posted by thl408:
Looking at past drafts, when was the last time the top 4 QBs selected in a draft all panned out? I went back to 2000 to check and it isn't pretty. Someone is going to draft a bust.

That's the thing. Jones almost 100% will not bust. Especially in Shanahan's system.

Jones wins us that Super Bowl and gets it done. Jimmy missing wide open WRs plenty on those last three drives w poor decision making. Jones decision making is elite plus his deep ball is best in the draft and he completes that throw to Sanders.

For me it's

1. Wilson - I mean just too sexy of an arm w the Rodgers/Mahomes arm talent to not take.

2a. Fields - love the athletic potential to work with and likes to throw deep and does it well. Concerned slightly about not being able to take starting job at Georgia in pro-style offense and did not thrive until going to a spread type offense.
2b. Jones - not going to bust. Way underrated on here because his elite traits are between the ears and processing/decision making ability.

4. Lance - WAY too risky to trade two future 1st rounders for. Bust potential through the roof.

In the end will be happy with either of the four and hop on the bandwagon. Just stoked we are 100% going QB in the 1st. Season not over now when Jimmy goes down.

Oh and if we trade Jimmy before the draft can take Lance off the board.

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Give me Fields. Can't teach his physical attributes, and he's performed at the highest level of college football and in some of the biggest moments. His game against Clemson this year is one of the best games I've ever seen from a collegiate QB, and he almost got broken in half during the game but kept slinging.

Was listening to Middlekauf's podcast yesterday, and he made a great point about how Kyle had waxed poetic after watching Josh Allen shred our defense. Kyle basically went on a verbal QB clinic explaining what made Allen so great in that offense. No bleeping way he watches that and then takes someone like Jones. I'm assuming NYJ are taking Wilson, and to be honest I hope they do. I'd rather have Fields leading us the next 15 years.

I completely agree with this, the ceiling of that game alone should get him picked very high. He was much better than Lawrence.

That hit would have hospitalised lesser specimens, and if anything he was better after.

Originally posted by fropwns:
Dude. I am not a Fields guy. Lemme explain why.

First a list of abbreviations:

Hogs=Hawgs; University of Arkansas Razorbacks Football team, Fayetteville
Homeboy up in Cincy; Joe Burrow AKA Corndog from Louisiana State University
Corndog: A derogatory reference to LSU fans always smelling like deep fried corndogs (No really, this is a thing. Google it)
Michigan Team: You know the purgatory that Jim Harbaugh is currently in.
Natty=National Championship
NIners: If you do not know this then get the f**k out of here
DMAC=Darren McFadden
Ol' U=University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
SEC: Southeastern Conference
SEC Title Game: Southeastern Conference Championship game
Gator team: University of Florida Gators Football team, Gainesville
Wildcat/WildHog offense: Staple of the Gus "Bus" Malzhan era at the University of Arkansas
Bama/Tide: University of Alabama Crimson Tide Football team, Tuscaloosa.



I would like to begin with a statement: I dislike Ohio State, though I have had past mentors hail from that place, greatly. Nor do I trust their QBs as none of them have panned out---and no, Phoenix, my man, the Corndog homeboy up in Cincy does not count. Begging the ultimate question, "what is really behind your hate of Ohio St, Fro? Tell us that untold part of your origin story".

The year was 2006, Darren McFadden of the Arkansas Razorbacks was destroying the SEC. No really, read his stats--hell, his 2007 stats were even better, you must also consider he was sharing some of the load with guys like Peyton Hillis and Felix Jones (Yes, an all-NFL backfield at the Ol' U, I tell you. McFadden and Jones numbers are telling: " the 2006 season served as a breakout for running backs Darren McFadden (1,647 yards with 14 TD; Receiving, 149yds, 1TD; KICKOFF Returns, 262 Yds, 1 TD; PASSING, 69 YDS, 3TDS, 1 INT) and Felix Jones (1,168 yards with 6 TD)"). Furthermore, this was the era that gives you the WIldcat, then called WildHog, offense, which DMAC excelled in. By all accounts, he should have won the University of Arkansas' first Heisman Trophy. But who did they give it to? Troy f**king Smith. Oh, we all know who Troy Smith is around these parts.

In this moment, I would like to set my personal disdain for Ohio State and their QBs aside and say this: I am glad Troy Smith became the first black QB to start for the Niners, all things considered, he seemed like a good dude. But I still think he sucked balls and I do not believe he deserved the Heisman. If memory serves, he never played NFL ball after his stint with the Niners.

Now back to my rant.

Smith's stats for the 2006 season are not all that impressive (2500 yds, 30 TDs, 6 picks) in a rather weak Big TEN, IMHO, but that was not why he won. He won because he was a QB that torched a miserable Michigan team three times and was on an Ohio St team that was playing for the Natty AND BECAUSE HE LOST THE PRIOR YEAR TO REGGIE BUSH. You might ask yourself, "Hey, Fro, what happened to that Ohio St team anyway?" They got their dicks kicked in by Florida that's what happened. Funny thing, the Hawgs lost to that same Gator team, but only by 10 pts in the SEC title game, while OSU was blown the f**k out (41-14). WAIT, IT GETS f**kING BETTER. Smith's line for the game: "four of 14 passes for 35 yards along with an interception, a fumble, and was sacked five times" DMAC's Line vs the Gator's roughly a month before?: RUSHING: 21/73yds;RECEIVING: 2 rec for 27yds; 1/3 PASSING 1TD, 1 INT (Folks, he ain't a QB, remember that.)

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE.

The year was 2011, it was the height of the Bobby Petrino era. And the Hogs met the Ohio State Cheating b*****ds for the Sugar Bowl Championship. You might remember that year's iteration of the Buckeyes as the one that got caught up in a bit of scandal--I ask, simply, when do they not have scandal? That year's team got involved in a scandal involving football players exchanging autographs and whatnot for money and tattoos. INCLUDING THEIR QUARTERBACK, Terrelle Pryor. Here's a good read on it: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/719411-scandal-at-ohio-state-part-1-of-5-the-tattooed-five-tressels-cover-up. The scandal emerged before the Sugar Bowl, but OHIO CHEATING STATE allowed all the players to play, including Terrelle Pryor. Hawgs choke (Ryan Mallett pick near the end of the game sealed it), Bucks win, and Pryor gets MVP of the game; as for the Hawgs, they began their own road of misery. Nonetheless, Pryor should have never been allowed to play at all.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE. If you read the article from Bleacherreport, the scandal runs deep. And in fact, that Sugar Bowl win, a win that their QB should not have been allowed to be a part of, along with a host of others, the Buckeyes were forced to vacate. And Pryor left Ohio State in disgrace. You might ask, "Hey Fro, what happened to Terrelle Pryor?" Well, kids, he has largely bounced from NFL team to NFL team and has had some difficulties in real life off the field.

For these reasons, I do not like Ohio State or their QBs.

Yes, I understand it is completely irrational to think this way about every QB that played for them--though, I would like to point out that I believe too often we have touted their Quarterbacks as great and they never, ever pan out (Justin Fields against Bama performed in a meh fashion: Passing: 17/33, 194, 1TD, Rushing: 6/67yds. Sure he did his best and he largely carried them against the Tide, but they STILL GOT TRUCKED. Oh by the way, Mac Jones went PASSING: 36/45, 464, 5TDS!!!!; Rushing: 4/11 in the same f**king game.) Yes, I understand it is not fair to Ohio State to continuously refer to them as cheating b*****ds who really do not deserve their status as a preeminent team.


Does it look like I care if it is rationale or not? I have beefs that run deep, my man. If Justin Fields becomes something, great. Happy for him. But just not here. I want Wilson, but I think the choice will likely be Mac Jones. And, he will be glorious for us.

f**k Ohio State.

I think it will be between Lance and Jones.

Lance.

Kyle gets his Josh Allen.

Originally posted by KiwiM:
Lance.

Kyle gets his Josh Allen.

yes please

Would take Wilson but don't see him as an option.

Therefore I'm Team Fields.

When people evaluate Mac Jones are they taking into account that the other 10 guys on offense are all basically NFL caliber guys playing college football? I mean that seriously. The guy threw to the best WRs in college football and plays behind a great OL. Look at how many Bama players go high every year. I'm not sure if the same crazy level of supporting talent holds true for Clemson/Lawrence (maybe) and OSU/Fields.

Edit: I'm not a draftnik but I'd go Lawrence in the first (duh), if I could. If I can't get him I'd probably take a second or third round QB because I saw too many flaws in the others. Fields was crazy good against Clemson but then also not as strong at other times. Lance seems like a risk pick that's ok at like second round or later. I haven't seen Wilson play.

Originally posted by blissful:
Jones or Wilson, the rest will fizzle away like 99% of all the hyped African American QBs that came out of the college in the last 20 years.

How many of the non African American QBs that were hyped fizzle away? You do realize that if you did a percentage analysis on all QBs that come out hyped only a handful of them actually pan out?

Honestly, work that percentage out why don't you? I'm seeing a much higher percentage of "African American " QBs having success in today's NFL. We had an all world defense in 2019 and some of those "African American " QBs were the ones giving us trouble and if memory serves me right they were the only ones to beat us that year

Those guys broke down a defense LOADED with first round talents throughout the DL. We lost the Super Bowl for that reason and might be why Shanahan made this trade up to three

I'm hoping we can draft our next Steve young and if he wins I don't think anyone cares what color he is so long as he's wearing red and gold

I'm thinking it's Fields or Lance. Just think. Mac is no better than the third QB taken but likely the fourth. Now if I were Niners I don't need to go to three to get this guy and this far out to do it.

I could wait to draft day and once I saw Lawrence Wilson and Fields come off THEN I make my move which would not be as expensive as now and get my guy. ON DRAFT DAY!

By them moving this far out they KNOW that Lawrence is one and likely Wilson is 2 so they KNOW that teams are lining up for 3 to get NOT Mac but one of Fields or Lance

Im betting Dolphins had a TON of teams trying to get that pick and 49ers had the best offer in so which QB was worth MULTIPLE teams moving up to three to get?

it damn sure wasn't Mac but it was likely Fields and then to a lesser extent Lance

i just can't see where we couldn't wait til draft day to get Mac cheaper so I will bet the farm that we moved up for the game breakers left on the board.

It smells like Fields using the tape but my gut says they feels Lance is the next Mahomes

Fields. All the talent in the world and he showed a lot to me not only playing in the title game, but making some nice throws even with Barmore all over him.
Watching him dominate Clemson was one of the best performances I've seen in cfb

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I'm thinking it's Fields or Lance. Just think. Mac is no better than the third QB taken but likely the fourth. Now if I were Niners I don't need to go to three to get this guy and this far out to do it.

I could wait to draft day and once I saw Lawrence Wilson and Fields come off THEN I make my move which would not be as expensive as now and get my guy. ON DRAFT DAY!

By them moving this far out they KNOW that Lawrence is one and likely Wilson is 2 so they KNOW that teams are lining up for 3 to get NOT Mac but one of Fields or Lance

Im betting Dolphins had a TON of teams trying to get that pick and 49ers had the best offer in so which QB was worth MULTIPLE teams moving up to three to get?

it damn sure wasn't Mac but it was likely Fields and then to a lesser extent Lance

i just can't see where we couldn't wait til draft day to get Mac cheaper so I will bet the farm that we moved up for the game breakers left on the board.

It smells like Fields using the tape but my gut says they feels Lance is the next Mahomes

Regardless of who they pick giving up all that capital tells you how much they REALLY want to move on from Jimmy.