The Fatal Fourway: Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones; Enter and declare your allegiance!

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Fields is the smart choice here with a trade this far out but I am thinking that ATL wanted Lance to groom behind Ryan so he could be their next Mahomes and we moved to three to take him off the board.

I'm thinking that the board was gonna fall Lawrence Wilson Fields and ATL was going Lance at four.

We moved up because ATL wouldn't give us their pick which signaled to us that they were taking Lance so we moved up to three to get him

My gut just tells me that but like I said the film screams Fields

ATL is getting their next guy at four and they wouldn't let us have their pick so we had to go to three to get our guy. ATL and NYJ are evidently hot on a QB prospect and now we know ATL is thus we went to MIA to get one of the top four and we'll keep Jimmy to groom him a year

This ain't about Mac Jones

This is the best deduction I have read yet, and I can't agree more.

my preference is Wilson, but if the Jets take him, it's Lance for sure.

My order of QBs:
Lawrence
Wilson
Lance
Fields
Jones

How come Zach Wilson is on the list? He is a goner.

Trey Lance, let's do this!!

Originally posted by Rascal:
How come Zach Wilson is on the list? He is a goner.

Trey Lance, let's do this!!

yeah baby! Give me Lance!!

Originally posted by Rascal:
How come Zach Wilson is on the list? He is a goner.

Trey Lance, let's do this!!

Put your balls on the table and go for it

Originally posted by DynastyPart2:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Fields is the smart choice here with a trade this far out but I am thinking that ATL wanted Lance to groom behind Ryan so he could be their next Mahomes and we moved to three to take him off the board.

I'm thinking that the board was gonna fall Lawrence Wilson Fields and ATL was going Lance at four.

We moved up because ATL wouldn't give us their pick which signaled to us that they were taking Lance so we moved up to three to get him

My gut just tells me that but like I said the film screams Fields

ATL is getting their next guy at four and they wouldn't let us have their pick so we had to go to three to get our guy. ATL and NYJ are evidently hot on a QB prospect and now we know ATL is thus we went to MIA to get one of the top four and we'll keep Jimmy to groom him a year

This ain't about Mac Jones

This is the best deduction I have read yet, and I can't agree more.

my preference is Wilson, but if the Jets take him, it's Lance for sure.

My order of QBs:
Lawrence
Wilson
Lance
Fields
Jones

I believe ATL is financially/contractually locked in to Ryan for this season. They'll be sitting whoever they pick so I think the 49ers motivation was simply not knowing who they'll pick. That ATL wouldn't do a deal told them all they needed to know. I don't think it's predictive of who ATL wants.

This is very complicated and tricky. I personally feel there is a big drop off after Trevor Lawrence. Obviously so. We can't do anything about that. I feel the 49ers might be slightly overrating these guys and forcing the issue. I'm not entirely happy about how much they traded away. I don't feel any of these guys are sure fire super stars. But some of them have really big upside. If you hit this is probably worth it. If you miss this is a lot of 1st rounders and a 3rd round pick to give up. If they miss Shanahan and Lynch are gone.

1) Trevor Lawrence. #1 pick. Best player in the draft. One of highest rated QB's coming out in 20 years in the draft. Gone before we pick. Enough said.

2) Zach Wilson. Probably the most NFL ready guy in our group of possible QB's. He's athletic, accurate, big enough, strong enough arm. But I don't feel he is a super elite prospect as gifted as some. Nothing is a guarantee. But I have a good feeling about him for the NFL level.

3) Justin Fields. From big time program. At times looks like the next big NFL star. But then can look like a bum too. Can he get more consistent and not have the mental letdowns? There is talent there. But I'm not sure. He is ahead of the next because of the big time program.

4) Trey Lance. He may have the highest upside of the group. Could be a real star if it works out. He can run and throw very accurately and is athletic. But the lower competition level has him a bit below the others for now. North Dakota State to the NFL is a big jump. It has been done with Wentz. I'm just saying you never know. This is a big jump in competition level. So he could bust too. But the upside is really big. Maybe the biggest of the bunch.

5) Mac Jones. I see him as more mid to late 1st round. I wouldn't pick him top 3 overall. He is surrounded by talent and isn't really that athletic. It's hard to say how good he is. But he does read the field well and is an accurate thrower. That much is in his favor. He's not bad. I just don't think he has the upside of some of the other players.

Originally posted by fropwns:
Dude. I am not a Fields guy. Lemme explain why.

First a list of abbreviations:

Hogs=Hawgs; University of Arkansas Razorbacks Football team, Fayetteville
Homeboy up in Cincy; Joe Burrow AKA Corndog from Louisiana State University
Corndog: A derogatory reference to LSU fans always smelling like deep fried corndogs (No really, this is a thing. Google it)
Michigan Team: You know the purgatory that Jim Harbaugh is currently in.
Natty=National Championship
NIners: If you do not know this then get the f**k out of here
DMAC=Darren McFadden
Ol' U=University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
SEC: Southeastern Conference
SEC Title Game: Southeastern Conference Championship game
Gator team: University of Florida Gators Football team, Gainesville
Wildcat/WildHog offense: Staple of the Gus "Bus" Malzhan era at the University of Arkansas
Bama/Tide: University of Alabama Crimson Tide Football team, Tuscaloosa.



I would like to begin with a statement: I dislike Ohio State, though I have had past mentors hail from that place, greatly. Nor do I trust their QBs as none of them have panned out---and no, Phoenix, my man, the Corndog homeboy up in Cincy does not count. Begging the ultimate question, "what is really behind your hate of Ohio St, Fro? Tell us that untold part of your origin story".

The year was 2006, Darren McFadden of the Arkansas Razorbacks was destroying the SEC. No really, read his stats--hell, his 2007 stats were even better, you must also consider he was sharing some of the load with guys like Peyton Hillis and Felix Jones (Yes, an all-NFL backfield at the Ol' U, I tell you. McFadden and Jones numbers are telling: " the 2006 season served as a breakout for running backs Darren McFadden (1,647 yards with 14 TD; Receiving, 149yds, 1TD; KICKOFF Returns, 262 Yds, 1 TD; PASSING, 69 YDS, 3TDS, 1 INT) and Felix Jones (1,168 yards with 6 TD)"). Furthermore, this was the era that gives you the WIldcat, then called WildHog, offense, which DMAC excelled in. By all accounts, he should have won the University of Arkansas' first Heisman Trophy. But who did they give it to? Troy f**king Smith. Oh, we all know who Troy Smith is around these parts.

In this moment, I would like to set my personal disdain for Ohio State and their QBs aside and say this: I am glad Troy Smith became the first black QB to start for the Niners, all things considered, he seemed like a good dude. But I still think he sucked balls and I do not believe he deserved the Heisman. If memory serves, he never played NFL ball after his stint with the Niners.

Now back to my rant.

Smith's stats for the 2006 season are not all that impressive (2500+ yds, 30 TDs, 6 picks) in a rather weak Big TEN, IMHO, but that was not why he won. He won because he was a QB that torched a miserable Michigan team three times and was on an Ohio St team that was playing for the Natty AND BECAUSE HE LOST THE PRIOR YEAR TO REGGIE BUSH. You might ask yourself, "Hey, Fro, what happened to that Ohio St team anyway?" They got their dicks kicked in by Florida that's what happened. Funny thing, the Hawgs lost to that same Gator team, but only by 10 pts in the SEC title game, while OSU was blown the f**k out (41-14). WAIT, IT GETS f**kING BETTER. Smith's line for the game: "four of 14 passes for 35 yards along with an interception, a fumble, and was sacked five times" DMAC's Line vs the Gator's roughly a month before?: RUSHING: 21/73yds;RECEIVING: 2 rec for 27yds; 1/3 PASSING 1TD, 1 INT (Folks, he ain't a QB, remember that.)

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE.

The year was 2011, it was the height of the Bobby Petrino era. And the Hogs met the Ohio State Cheating b*****ds for the Sugar Bowl Championship. You might remember that year's iteration of the Buckeyes as the one that got caught up in a bit of scandal--I ask, simply, when do they not have scandal? That year's team got involved in a scandal involving football players exchanging autographs and whatnot for money and tattoos. INCLUDING THEIR QUARTERBACK, Terrelle Pryor. Here's a good read on it: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/719411-scandal-at-ohio-state-part-1-of-5-the-tattooed-five-tressels-cover-up. The scandal emerged before the Sugar Bowl, but OHIO CHEATING STATE allowed all the players to play, including Terrelle Pryor. Hawgs choke (Ryan Mallett pick near the end of the game sealed it), Bucks win, and Pryor gets MVP of the game; as for the Hawgs, they began their own road of misery. Nonetheless, Pryor should have never been allowed to play at all.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE. If you read the article from Bleacherreport, the scandal runs deep. And in fact, that Sugar Bowl win, a win that their QB should not have been allowed to be a part of, along with a host of others, the Buckeyes were forced to vacate. And Pryor left Ohio State in disgrace. You might ask, "Hey Fro, what happened to Terrelle Pryor?" Well, kids, he has largely bounced from NFL team to NFL team and has had some difficulties in real life off the field.

For these reasons, I do not like Ohio State or their QBs.

Yes, I understand it is completely irrational to think this way about every QB that played for them--though, I would like to point out that I believe too often we have touted their Quarterbacks as great and they never, ever pan out (Justin Fields against Bama performed in a meh fashion: Passing: 17/33, 194, 1TD, Rushing: 6/67yds. Sure he did his best and he largely carried them against the Tide, but they STILL GOT TRUCKED. Oh by the way, Mac Jones went PASSING: 36/45, 464, 5TDS!!!!; Rushing: 4/11 in the same f**king game.) Yes, I understand it is not fair to Ohio State to continuously refer to them as cheating b*****ds who really do not deserve their status as a preeminent team.


Does it look like I care if it is rationale or not? I have beefs that run deep, my man. If Justin Fields becomes something, great. Happy for him. But just not here. I want Wilson, but I think the choice will likely be Mac Jones. And, he will be glorious for us.

f**k Ohio State.

I will take Fields then Wilson and Lance. Lance has a ton of upside going to need a year. Fields also has a high ceiling. I feel Wilson is maxed out not much room to go up. All in all Shannahan can take it to the next level with any one of them.

The most important factors ultimately are the prospect's work ethic and the team/development program they go into.

All top prospects have their weaknesses and areas they need to develop... Lance accuracy and some plays with questionable field vision, Wilson learning to deal with frequent pressure and throwing MOF, Fields vs the blitz and processing quickly, Jones tight window throws and playing with lesser offensive talent.

You can say just go with the highest potential but that's short-sighted. It that doesn't say crap about the kid's work ethic or football IQ - current or future growth in football IQ.

All 4 sound like great kids who eat and sleep football so it's hard to tell. Without knowing the characters...give me
1) Fields
2) Wilson
3) Mac
4) Lance

I prefer accurate QBs as might be obvious from that lol. Besides Josh Allen, I can't really recall a QB that for significantly more accurate over time.

Fields actually has pretty similar weaknesses as Watson and Russ - I think he can adequately overcome them enough to be a superstar.

The Gods are speaking to me.

Wilson
Fields
Lance
Jones

Team Lance

Will someone who is obsessed with Lance or Fields elucidate what it is they think makes one a better prospect than the other?

I have my own opinions on the two, and while I see some differences, and different strengths and weaknesses, I really can't decide which I'd prefer. So please, tell me why you like one over the other.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Will someone who is obsessed with Lance or Fields elucidate what it is they think makes one a better prospect than the other?

I have my own opinions on the two, and while I see some differences, and different strengths and weaknesses, I really can't decide which I'd prefer. So please, tell me why you like one over the other.

They are both athletic and can run and show a strong and accurate arm.

Fields - Big program and the highest level of competition. But can be inconsistent. Sometimes he looks like the next big star but he can be terrible in stretches too.

Lance - Lower College level. Big jump up to NFL level of competition. He has the physical tools. But can he make the jump up to the competition at the next level? Will he look that good in the NFL? At his level he was like a man among boys. But that won't be the case anymore. So he is hard to evaluate.

If I had to guess I would say Fields likely is closer to a sure thing in the NFL. Although there are no sure things. I would pick Fields and he may actually be the 2nd best QB in this class. He's no worse than 3rd best I'd say. I don't know what you get with Lance. He has the physical tools and upside but it will likely take him a while to learn.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Rascal:
How come Zach Wilson is on the list? He is a goner.

Trey Lance, let's do this!!

Put your balls on the table and go for it

As long as the 49ers brass has determined that what is between the ears is worth it and that he loves football I 100% agree.

We need this pick to be a home run and I hope that is Trey Lance.