NFL DRAFT and Race

Originally posted by rathman4481:
Sweet another Mac Jones bashing thread

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Anyone using Race as a pro or con is ridiculous.

It's real but let's hope we can discuss it without getting overly passionate or without thinking that it doesn't occur.

The other contrast that we have seen are white skill position players being over drafted because of their combine numbers.

Matt Jones comes to mind.

It's so real, works against white skill players as well though. Remember how many people had to be convinced that McCaffrey was an elite athlete?

Or Andy Isabella, who was literally labelled a slow slot WR.

I don't think white kids even bother trying to play CB, they'll be written off before they get anywhere near the league.

Those two examples. Dwayne Haskins called a running `
QB. Warren Moon called a running QB back in the day.

Just in general, the adjectives that are used. Lots of high IQ black players, crazy athletic white players, but its like overwhelming evidence is needed to get their due.

Also the idea that these things just simply go away is silly. I agree with the poster on the Watson/Trubisky thing.

Still waiting on the white cornerback to make an appearance lol. The last one I remember is Dustin Fox out of Ohio State. He was decent and started on the Vikings for a few years. This was back in 2003 I think.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Still waiting on the white cornerback to make an appearance lol. The last one I remember is Dustin Fox out of Ohio State. He was decent and started on the Vikings for a few years. This was back in 2003 I think.

NFL is too racist to accept a white corner. Every white corner gets moved to slot WR. These are facts. NFL is racist.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
*opens thread*

It's like typecasting in Hollywood. It used to be minorities got pidgeonholed into few roles, mostly playing into stereotypes or being tokenized, but in recent decades you're seeing more and more minorities playing major roles or roles that used to be reserved only for white people.

Similarly, in football black kids playing youth football through college ball were not fairly seen as starting QB material. This attitude has of course changed over time, but I think in the NFL the early successes we saw with players like Mike Vick kind of led to this misconception that all black QBs earned their success mostly or exclusively due to their athleticism and not the more intangible aspects of their game.

Adding on to this, the NFL media is still massively dominated by white boomers that hold onto this older worldview. I mean it took centuries for this country to figure out that minorities are just as capable as white men to be president. It shouldn't really be a debate that there still exists a bias against black QBs.

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's real but let's hope we can discuss it without getting overly passionate or without thinking that it doesn't occur.

The other contrast that we have seen are white skill position players being over drafted because of their combine numbers.

Matt Jones comes to mind.

This is hilarious how many white WR's/RB's/TE's have been over drafted because of the simple fact that they are white.... for the QB position I'll give you that there was a time when black QB's weren't given a fair shake, but to claim the NFL as it stands today is inherently racist is ludicrous. Lets be social justice warriors and show that the NFL is PREDOMINATELY Black... so lets change that and keep highly athletic black athletes on the sidelines and fairly share the rosters between every race and gender identity to ensure we are all super WOKE

How about we let the athletes decide their own futures and regardless of where a player is selected and regardless of their race let them play their way into a roster and flourish or fail based on their work ethic and ability to pick up a play book and process in the game.

Lol at race being an issue! Anyone who believes that is buying into liberal media and politician propoganda. These teams want to win plain and simple. If they pass on a guy it's not because of his skin color, his eye color, or his hair color.

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Lol at race being an issue! Anyone who believes that is buying into liberal media and politician propoganda. These teams want to win plain and simple. If they pass on a guy it's not because of his skin color, his eye color, or his hair color.

The issue is much more nuanced than "the liberal media agenda". Also I don't think the argument is that teams and scouts hold a bias, but rather how these players are talked about in the media.

Originally posted by irishluder:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's real but let's hope we can discuss it without getting overly passionate or without thinking that it doesn't occur.

The other contrast that we have seen are white skill position players being over drafted because of their combine numbers.

Matt Jones comes to mind.

This is hilarious how many white WR's/RB's/TE's have been over drafted because of the simple fact that they are white.... for the QB position I'll give you that there was a time when black QB's weren't given a fair shake, but to claim the NFL as it stands today is inherently racist is ludicrous. Lets be social justice warriors and show that the NFL is PREDOMINATELY Black... so lets change that and keep highly athletic black athletes on the sidelines and fairly share the rosters between every race and gender identity to ensure we are all super WOKE

How about we let the athletes decide their own futures and regardless of where a player is selected and regardless of their race let them play their way into a roster and flourish or fail based on their work ethic and ability to pick up a play book and process in the game.

Lots of straw man arguments in this comment. Nobody is arguing for any racial quotas or to be more "woke". It's just a discussion on the biases that media pundits and analysts show when they are discussing QB different prospects of similar caliber.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by roasthawg:
Lol at race being an issue! Anyone who believes that is buying into liberal media and politician propoganda. These teams want to win plain and simple. If they pass on a guy it's not because of his skin color, his eye color, or his hair color.

The issue is much more nuanced than "the liberal media agenda". Also I don't think the argument is that teams and scouts hold a bias, but rather how these players are talked about in the media.

Well we definitely see the issue and probably the world in general much differently. I grew up in the bay area in the eighties and the only racism I've experienced and witnessed in this country back then to now is against people with white skin. Professional sports are among the most desired careers in the world and they're dominated by athletes with black skin. There's no nuance to that, it's just the truth. How you can extrapolate racism into that is beyond me but have at it.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by irishluder:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's real but let's hope we can discuss it without getting overly passionate or without thinking that it doesn't occur.

The other contrast that we have seen are white skill position players being over drafted because of their combine numbers.

Matt Jones comes to mind.

This is hilarious how many white WR's/RB's/TE's have been over drafted because of the simple fact that they are white.... for the QB position I'll give you that there was a time when black QB's weren't given a fair shake, but to claim the NFL as it stands today is inherently racist is ludicrous. Lets be social justice warriors and show that the NFL is PREDOMINATELY Black... so lets change that and keep highly athletic black athletes on the sidelines and fairly share the rosters between every race and gender identity to ensure we are all super WOKE

How about we let the athletes decide their own futures and regardless of where a player is selected and regardless of their race let them play their way into a roster and flourish or fail based on their work ethic and ability to pick up a play book and process in the game.

Lots of straw man arguments in this comment. Nobody is arguing for any racial quotas or to be more "woke". It's just a discussion on the biases that media pundits and analysts show when they are discussing QB different prospects of similar caliber.

Help me understand then... the last white player that was highly drafted at a position group was Christian McCaffery and he sure as hell has proved he belongs... How are white skill position players being over drafted???? How can you argue that the NFL is racist when its played by a strong majority of black players... this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. Please prove me wrong.... and for what its worth I'm in the Justin Fields camp lol

Originally posted by irishluder:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by irishluder:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's real but let's hope we can discuss it without getting overly passionate or without thinking that it doesn't occur.

The other contrast that we have seen are white skill position players being over drafted because of their combine numbers.

Matt Jones comes to mind.

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This is hilarious how many white WR's/RB's/TE's have been over drafted because of the simple fact that they are white.... for the QB position I'll give you that there was a time when black QB's weren't given a fair shake, but to claim the NFL as it stands today is inherently racist is ludicrous. Lets be social justice warriors and show that the NFL is PREDOMINATELY Black... so lets change that and keep highly athletic black athletes on the sidelines and fairly share the rosters between every race and gender identity to ensure we are all super WOKE

How about we let the athletes decide their own futures and regardless of where a player is selected and regardless of their race let them play their way into a roster and flourish or fail based on their work ethic and ability to pick up a play book and process in the game.

Lots of straw man arguments in this comment. Nobody is arguing for any racial quotas or to be more "woke". It's just a discussion on the biases that media pundits and analysts show when they are discussing QB different prospects of similar caliber.

Help me understand then... the last white player that was highly drafted at a position group was Christian McCaffery and he sure as hell has proved he belongs... How are white skill position players being over drafted???? How can you argue that the NFL is racist when its played by a strong majority of black players... this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. Please prove me wrong.... and for what its worth I'm in the Justin Fields camp lol

One hundred percent agree with the whole post, even the Justin Fields part. So stupid how everybody wants to make things about skin color. Move on people, no one gives a s**t.

And this isn't just about QB... but even if it was do we see Kyle Trask being touted over Fields or Lance, Nope. The next QB after the top 5 is Mond who is also black... there's enough race BS in the media, lets keep it out of sports so we can watch players do special things and not look at their skin color first to make a point.

Originally posted by irishluder:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by irishluder:

Originally posted by Joecool:
It's real but let's hope we can discuss it without getting overly passionate or without thinking that it doesn't occur.

The other contrast that we have seen are white skill position players being over drafted because of their combine numbers.

Matt Jones comes to mind.

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This is hilarious how many white WR's/RB's/TE's have been over drafted because of the simple fact that they are white.... for the QB position I'll give you that there was a time when black QB's weren't given a fair shake, but to claim the NFL as it stands today is inherently racist is ludicrous. Lets be social justice warriors and show that the NFL is PREDOMINATELY Black... so lets change that and keep highly athletic black athletes on the sidelines and fairly share the rosters between every race and gender identity to ensure we are all super WOKE

How about we let the athletes decide their own futures and regardless of where a player is selected and regardless of their race let them play their way into a roster and flourish or fail based on their work ethic and ability to pick up a play book and process in the game.

Lots of straw man arguments in this comment. Nobody is arguing for any racial quotas or to be more "woke". It's just a discussion on the biases that media pundits and analysts show when they are discussing QB different prospects of similar caliber.

Help me understand then... the last white player that was highly drafted at a position group was Christian McCaffery and he sure as hell has proved he belongs... How are white skill position players being over drafted???? How can you argue that the NFL is racist when its played by a strong majority of black players... this whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. Please prove me wrong.... and for what its worth I'm in the Justin Fields camp lol

I think you're responding to the other poster's comment on the overdrafting point. I don't know anything about that subtopic so no comment there. I don't think McCaffrey was over drafted, he's a beast.

But the core topic of this thread stems from the criticisms and comments being made about Fields and his skillset that other QBs *cough* Mac Jones *cough* seem to get a pass on.