2022 NFL Scouting Combine

Wonder why Pitre elected not to run the 40, he's been moving up boards, maybe he'll make it to 61

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
20 CBs 4.50 or better?
11 CBs 4.40 or better?
2 CBs in 4.2s?

A 6'4" corner running an official 4.26?!

Other shockers:
Alontae Taylor 4.36
Cam Taylor-Britt 4.38
Kaiir Elam 4.39
Sauce Gardner 4.41

Something is up with the 40 this year lol

Climate change

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
20 CBs 4.50 or better?
11 CBs 4.40 or better?
2 CBs in 4.2s?

A 6'4" corner running an official 4.26?!

Other shockers:
Alontae Taylor 4.36
Cam Taylor-Britt 4.38
Kaiir Elam 4.39
Sauce Gardner 4.41

Something is up with the 40 this year lol

Climate change

I'm guessing a mix of the turf and the fact that people didn't come out last year because of COVID and so the class had more top talent

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Figured I'd add to this

This is bonkers.

Number of WRs with a sub-7.00 second 3-cone:

2022: 2
2020: 4
2019: 8
2018: 18
2017: 23

— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) March 4, 2022

So not too much agility eh?

Maybe it's already been said,...but we gotta keep in mind that these are handtimes, IIRC.

You are much better off comparing these times to each other than in years prior,...as they've probably updated the way they are recording them, precision-wise.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
20 CBs 4.50 or better?
11 CBs 4.40 or better?
2 CBs in 4.2s?

A 6'4" corner running an official 4.26?!

Other shockers:
Alontae Taylor 4.36
Cam Taylor-Britt 4.38
Kaiir Elam 4.39
Sauce Gardner 4.41

Something is up with the 40 this year lol

Climate change

They've been saying this for years, its finally here!

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I would prefer to see more breakdowns of game film on some of the players. They do some but I would like to see more. I also would prefer to see these guys run in football gear. The way they do it now has little relevance to the actual playing field. The little 180 pound guys would probably be affected a lot more than the bigger guys. Many of them a track guys and are used to running in that kind of track gear. The big guys can carry the football gear easier. The times would be more equal.

They need to stop running the 40 for linemen. How often does a linemen run more than 10-20 yards in the game. They have the splits so just have them run 20 yards. Some of those big guys risk puling a hamstring trying to bust a good 40. When the do the passing drills I'd like to see the receivers matched up against the defenders.

I know they probably aren't going to change it but I think some changes could be made that would make it more interesting and more relevant.

I agree they need better drills for different positions. However even though some of these drills seem dumb it also gives teams an idea of the kid's work ethic. If he comes in and sucks it up it throws a red flag in maybe this kid didn't train or whatever.

Yea the pads stuff sounds good,...but you couldn't really get every guy there to wear the same exact size and weight pads, could you?

The idea is to subtract as many variables as possible and then let the the GMs and their minions earn their paychecks in terms of # interpretation.

Things like this simply would add more variables.

And beyond that, we're beginning to see more and more hybrid positions and teams switching guys around to account for or mirror players like Deebo, for example.

Taking 40s away from positions would only just what they are their for, which is to get data on file that coaches can all put together, leveling everything out, and compare/contrast. Think of DL that may play some LB and hell,...one of them ran a time that just about every CB there would love to have.

Trying to simplify would only make the combine massively more complex.

Im behind the live coverage for today, and just finished dinner and saw the 3 cone times for the safety class... HOLY SH!T... a bunch under 7 seconds, Pitre 6.74 and he had a shuttle of 4.18... he's def gone before 61 now

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My boy Kyler Gordon is gonna test amazing today…zero chance we can get him

4.57

The scouts were talking a much better number than 4.57. Keep testing average so Niners have a shot to get you.

Lol exactly! He doesn't play at 4.57 on the field, kid pops and is explosive AF

Never rely on just one # to tell a tale.

JT Woods, S, Baylor.... going to have to look at him, Pitre is out of reach, Woods has some impressive numbers and gave up a 51.8 passer rating when targeted in 2021, ran a 4.36 40, 39.5 vert, and 10'8 broad, all elite

Originally posted by irishluder:
Wonder why Pitre elected not to run the 40, he's been moving up boards, maybe he'll make it to 61

Yeah I'm kinda disappointed my boy didn't run it

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Figured I'd add to this

This is bonkers.

Number of WRs with a sub-7.00 second 3-cone:

2022: 2
2020: 4
2019: 8
2018: 18
2017: 23

— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) March 4, 2022

So not too much agility eh?

Maybe it's already been said,...but we gotta keep in mind that these are handtimes, IIRC.

You are much better off comparing these times to each other than in years prior,...as they've probably updated the way they are recording them, precision-wise.

Yes to the bolded. Same with the 40s. Still can get an accurate landscape as to how the players in this class compare to one another, but we might want to hold off on putting too much weight into historical comparisons.

As for the cone drill, still obviously a very poor percentage, but it's worth noting that only 13, if I'm remembering correctly, WRs even participated in the drill as opposed to darn near the entire list on invites on years prior. Having these agilities done at the end of a ~6-7 hour day, having already done jumps, 40s, field drills, and who knows how much down time...people are test poorly if they've decided to test at all. But hey, puts the 40 yard dash in prime time.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by irishluder:
Wonder why Pitre elected not to run the 40, he's been moving up boards, maybe he'll make it to 61

Yeah I'm kinda disappointed my boy didn't run it

It's actually a smart move by him. His SB performance is enough for him to get drafted high, running in a straight line with tights is not football it's track and field.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Figured I'd add to this

This is bonkers.

Number of WRs with a sub-7.00 second 3-cone:

2022: 2
2020: 4
2019: 8
2018: 18
2017: 23

— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) March 4, 2022

So not too much agility eh?

Maybe it's already been said,...but we gotta keep in mind that these are handtimes, IIRC.

You are much better off comparing these times to each other than in years prior,...as they've probably updated the way they are recording them, precision-wise.

Those are official times I believe. A lot of guys will redo their 3-cone at their pro-day. Not sure what they've done differently in regards to recording?

IMO looks like guys focused on getting better at the 49 vs other drills. Also that was brand new turf and could have played a part with crazy 40s…end of the day it's about using those numbers and seeing if it shows up on film.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I would prefer to see more breakdowns of game film on some of the players. They do some but I would like to see more. I also would prefer to see these guys run in football gear. The way they do it now has little relevance to the actual playing field. The little 180 pound guys would probably be affected a lot more than the bigger guys. Many of them a track guys and are used to running in that kind of track gear. The big guys can carry the football gear easier. The times would be more equal.

They need to stop running the 40 for linemen. How often does a linemen run more than 10-20 yards in the game. They have the splits so just have them run 20 yards. Some of those big guys risk puling a hamstring trying to bust a good 40. When the do the passing drills I'd like to see the receivers matched up against the defenders.

I know they probably aren't going to change it but I think some changes could be made that would make it more interesting and more relevant.

I agree they need better drills for different positions. However even though some of these drills seem dumb it also gives teams an idea of the kid's work ethic. If he comes in and sucks it up it throws a red flag in maybe this kid didn't train or whatever.

Yea the pads stuff sounds good,...but you couldn't really get every guy there to wear the same exact size and weight pads, could you?

The idea is to subtract as many variables as possible and then let the the GMs and their minions earn their paychecks in terms of # interpretation.

Things like this simply would add more variables.

And beyond that, we're beginning to see more and more hybrid positions and teams switching guys around to account for or mirror players like Deebo, for example.

Taking 40s away from positions would only just what they are their for, which is to get data on file that coaches can all put together, leveling everything out, and compare/contrast. Think of DL that may play some LB and hell,...one of them ran a time that just about every CB there would love to have.

Trying to simplify would only make the combine massively more complex.

The 40 is good TV. It's the part of the combine that draws the most viewers. The NFL is all about drawing viewers so it's here to stay. I think more teams are realizing that a guy that drops 10-30 lbs and trains so he can run a fast 40 isn't the player that they will see on the field.

We still get the occasional guy that really pops . A 6'4" corner that runs sub 4.3 is an eye opener. That makes you go back and look at this game film a little more to see if that speed is there on the field. The defensive players from Georgia dominated all year and their 40 times matched that performance. Then you have a guy like Kyle Hamilton who is the highest rated safety by many scouts but only ran 4.59. He plays faster in games.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Those are official times I believe. A lot of guys will redo their 3-cone at their pro-day. Not sure what they've done differently in regards to recording?

IMO looks like guys focused on getting better at the 49 vs other drills. Also that was brand new turf and could have played a part with crazy 40s…end of the day it's about using those numbers and seeing if it shows up on film.

Maybe I'm out of the loop,....but 3-cone times are recorded by hand, right?