Jaquan Brisker S PSU

Seems like we don't draft well when trading up in the 2nd round…hope we buck that trend if they decide to do it.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:
I disagree, if the likes of Brisker is within 10-15 spots. Use the ammo of having nine picks to nab him.

IMO waste of ammo. You're willing to trade an RB 2 or a starting RG or Future C to take a guy who is marginally better than a guy you can take if you stand pat.

Where you see marginally better others (draft people) see much more of a difference. Devil's advocate can say the difference, for instance, between an RB at 105 vs 134/172 is smaller than that of a Brisker/Pitre to Joseph/Cross.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2022/4/14/23024848/49ers-draft-2022-trade-up-round-2

"A big leap into the late 30s is probably out of the question, but moving up ten spots or so is absolutely on the table for the 49ers.

Some kind of combination of pick 61 paired with either 93 & 105 is certainly within the realm of possibility when discussing realistic trade scenarios in a potential bid to move up the draft order. Just recently, in 2020, the New England Patriots jumped up 11 spots from 71 to 60, at the cost of sending picks 71 & 98 to Baltimore. They also netted a 4th round pick in return from the Ravens in this deal.

A pairing of pick 61 & 105 could be exactly the ammo the 49ers need to make that jump up ten or so spots. This would allow them to erase any chance of missing on a player they covet who fell into that range while also knowing even after the deal. They still would have a selection in the third round at pick 93."

This is why I think we trade down. I don't see Pitre, Brisker, Zion Johnson, or Tyler Linderbaum falling that far. We should obtain more 3rd round picks instead of trading up.

I disagree, if the likes of Brisker is within 10-15 spots. Use the ammo of having nine picks to nab him.

I'm just predicting they won't fall that far.

Its an entirely different question to ask what you would do if one of those players did in fact fall that far.

I'd add Kyler Gordon in that trade up group as well.

Originally posted by InfernoDaLuz:
Where you see marginally better others (draft people) see much more of a difference. Devil's advocate can say the difference, for instance, between an RB at 105 vs 134/172 is smaller than that of a Brisker/Pitre to Joseph/Cross.

Fair enough, but IMO we need to make as many of our picks as possible. Especially te ones that would be needed to move up from 61

Originally posted by krizay:
IMO waste of ammo. You're willing to trade an RB 2 or a starting RG or Future C to take a guy who is marginally better than a guy you can take if you stand pat.

They have a bunch of RBs on this team right now...

Mitchell
Sermon
hasty
Wilson

I imagine they will use one of those last picks or bring in a UDFA.

Also who at 61 is Brisker only marginally better at S? The more I watch Cross/Cook the less thrilled I am of them. I don't like O'Neal at all. Joseph is meh too me. I'd take McKinley late day 3 vs him at 61.

IMO Brisker/Cine/Hill and Pitre are the guys I really like. All are a little different though.

Originally posted by krizay:
Fair enough, but IMO we need to make as many of our picks as possible. Especially te ones that would be needed to move up from 61

See I totally disagree with that....they have 9 picks and don't have 9 roster spots. IMO if they leave this draft with 5 or 6 players that's good IMO.

I also am down to move a 2023 3rd (they have 3) if it means they can get a quality starter this yr.

What spots to you legit see as we need a starter coming out of this draft for 2022?

For me:

Safety
RG
and I'll toss slot DB (pretty much a starter)

After that it's future needs like C (which you get and have them play RG this yr), EDGE, and I guess LBer? Depth at WR?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They have a bunch of RBs on this team right now...

Mitchell
Sermon
hasty
Wilson

I imagine they will use one of those last picks or bring in a UDFA.

Also who at 61 is Brisker only marginally better at S? The more I watch Cross/Cook the less thrilled I am of them. I don't like O'Neal at all. Joseph is meh too me. I'd take McKinley late day 3 vs him at 61.

IMO Brisker/Cine/Hill and Pitre are the guys I really like. All are a little different though.

Only marginally better than Joseph in my personal opinion. NO a huge fan of Cross/Cook myself. Feel the same on McKinley. I do like O'neal as a box safety late day 3 if nothing else.

Didn't watch much on Cine or Hill since they were always mocked out of our range. So can't comment on them. Pitre is to me as Joseph is to you.

To me it's Brisker/Joseph or wait til day 3 and go after a McKinley or Markquese Bell

As for the RBs we need more talen in that room IMO. We got Mitchell and no one else. Wilson would be a nice #4 I suppose

Originally posted by NYniner85:
See I totally disagree with that....they have 9 picks and don't have 9 roster spots. IMO if they leave this draft with 5 or 6 players that's good IMO.

I also am down to move a 2023 3rd (they have 3) if it means they can get a quality starter this yr.

What spots to you legit see as we need a starter coming out of this draft for 2022?

For me:

Safety
RG
and I'll toss slot DB (pretty much a starter)

After that it's future needs like C (which you get and have them play RG this yr), EDGE, and I guess LBer? Depth at WR?

I'm going to post what positions I think we need solid Contributors. Not necessarily starters.

#2 Safety
NCB
RG
#2 RB I want a guy we can rely on if Mitchell goes down. So we don't have to rely on Deebo being a RB.
IDL. After Kinlaw and AA we got nothing IMO.
#4 WR

Originally posted by krizay:
Only marginally better than Joseph in my personal opinion. NO a huge fan of Cross/Cook myself. Feel the same on McKinley. I do like O'neal as a box safety late day 3 if nothing else.

Didn't watch much on Cine or Hill since they were always mocked out of our range. So can't comment on them. Pitre is to me as Joseph is to you.

To me it's Brisker/Joseph or wait til day 3 and go after a McKinley or Markquese Bell

As for the RBs we need more talen in that room IMO. We got Mitchell and no one else. Wilson would be a nice #4 I suppose

That's fair. difference of opinions on Joseph vs Brisker. I think there's a tier difference there but too each their own.

I don't hate JT woods if it's a day 3 guy either, I just feel like they need to invest in that position and Ward is coming up on his contract. Brisker has that alpha in him and can play in the box, 2-high he played some single high.

I got no problem grabbing another RB there's a TON of depth in this draft there. My point is that's not gonna stop me from moving up to get a day 1 starter at a position of need. We got depth at just about every position, need those starter players.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's fair. difference of opinions on Joseph vs Brisker. I think there's a tier difference there but too each their own.

I don't hate JT woods if it's a day 3 guy either, I just feel like they need to invest in that position and Ward is coming up on his contract. Brisker has that alpha in him and can play in the box, 2-high he played some single high.

I got no problem grabbing another RB there's a TON of depth in this draft there. My point is that's not gonna stop me from moving up to get a day 1 starter at a position of need. We got depth at just about every position, need those starter players.

To me, the draft sets up perfectly for us to get starters at the positions you listed where we currently sit. To move up in the 2nd we have to use a pick that literally would/could be a starter. From my perspective it's us giving up 2 starters for 1.

It's one thing if we can package 2 6ths with our 2nd to move up but that's not going to fly.

Originally posted by krizay:
I'm going to post what positions I think we need solid Contributors. Not necessarily starters.

#2 Safety
NCB
RG
#2 RB I want a guy we can rely on if Mitchell goes down. So we don't have to rely on Deebo being a RB.
IDL. After Kinlaw and AA we got nothing IMO.
#4 WR

I agree with most of this...I still believe they will give Sermon that #2 role this yr. Can't give up all that draft capital to not let him play. While I wasn't a fan of the pick, I honestly didn't think he looked bad when given some carries last yr. I believe he got hurt and that kinda hurt his development. They do need some speed there if Mitchell goes down...I don't think you need to spend a pick in the top 4 rds to get one.

IDL I think we're set there more than people think...overall this draft isn't that great there IMO. after Kin/AA they got Hurts/givens/Ridgeway and Omenihu can play role in there as a 3-tech like Key did.

Overall I can't see them making 9 picks this yr.

Originally posted by krizay:
To me, the draft sets up perfectly for us to get starters at the positions you listed where we currently sit. To move up in the 2nd we have to use a pick that literally would/could be a starter. From my perspective it's us giving up 2 starters for 1.

It's one thing if we can package 2 6ths with our 2nd to move up but that's not going to fly.

Or it could be giving up on say a Kaden Smith (who didn't even make the final roster), McKivitz, Streets, Hurd etc all the same.

I keep doing simulators (yeah I know doesn't mean much) but I'm tossing INDY a 2023 3rd and a 2022 6th to move up to 42 and getting Brisker

IMO I think we have a ton of depth and need legit dudes at certain positions. Last yr was basically a red shirt yr for a lot of our players, I'd rather get a couple guys that can play from day 1 then a bunch of depth.

For me I see this draft as we either move up a little to get a "dude" and still have picks. OR trade down from 61 grab a couple more day 3 picks and move around...but not ending up with 9 players overall.

We will see!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I agree with most of this...I still believe they will give Sermon that #2 role this yr. Can't give up all that draft capital to not let him play. While I wasn't a fan of the pick, I honestly didn't think he looked bad when given some carries last yr. I believe he got hurt and that kinda hurt his development. They do need some speed there if Mitchell goes down...I don't think you need to spend a pick in the top 4 rds to get one.

IDL I think we're set there more than people think...overall this draft isn't that great there IMO. after Kin/AA they got Hurts/givens/Ridgeway and Omenihu can play role in there as a 3-tech like Key did.

Overall I can't see them making 9 picks this yr.

They're clearly looking to bring in competition for Sermon. Just by looking at the guys they brought in for visits.

On passing downs I do like Omenihu and even Hyder inside. Don't like the rest there for any extended period of time to be honest. But that's just em.

History shows we wont make all of our picks. that's a given. Don't agree with it, but it's a given. The more you use and hit on the less spots you need to fill and money you need to spend on the Ray Ray Mclouds.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I agree with most of this...I still believe they will give Sermon that #2 role this yr. Can't give up all that draft capital to not let him play. While I wasn't a fan of the pick, I honestly didn't think he looked bad when given some carries last yr. I believe he got hurt and that kinda hurt his development. They do need some speed there if Mitchell goes down...I don't think you need to spend a pick in the top 4 rds to get one.

IDL I think we're set there more than people think...overall this draft isn't that great there IMO. after Kin/AA they got Hurts/givens/Ridgeway and Omenihu can play role in there as a 3-tech like Key did.

Overall I can't see them making 9 picks this yr.

They're clearly looking to bring in competition for Sermon. Just by looking at the guys they brought in for visits.

On passing downs I do like Omenihu and even Hyder inside. Don't like the rest there for any extended period of time to be honest. But that's just em.

History shows we wont make all of our picks. that's a given. Don't agree with it, but it's a given. The more you use and hit on the less spots you need to fill and money you need to spend on the Ray Ray Mclouds.

I mean they're always looking at RB...doesn't mean too much IMO. A lot of these RBs are gonna go later than some think just based on the overall position. Like I said I'm not worried about missing out on a RB if it means they get a "dude" in a move up at other position. They can find the Mitchell's of the world late on day 3. That's been proven.

Ray Ray is basically making the same as a 4th rd rookie contract. If missing out on a Ray Ray to get a Harrison Smith prospect at S is the downfall I'm cool with it.

I think there's a fine line between drafting a billion meh players hoping one pans out and trading away all the picks for a couple guys.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean they're always looking at RB...doesn't mean too much IMO. A lot of these RBs are gonna go later than some think just based on the overall position. Like I said I'm not worried about missing out on a RB if it means they get a "dude" in a move up at other position. They can find the Mitchell's of the world late on day 3. That's been proven.

Ray Ray is basically making the same as a 4th rd rookie contract. If missing out on a Ray Ray to get a Harrison Smith prospect at S is the downfall I'm cool with it.

I think there's a fine line between drafting a billion meh players hoping one pans out and trading away all the picks for a couple guys.

Yea i was going off the initial report of 10 million or whatever was 1st reported. Forgot that wasn't a true number