2023 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's becoming more and more clear what this FO is prioritizing for this draft.

--- Pre Draft Player Connections Update ---

POS - Volume | TDN Top 150
WR - 28 | 8
S - 25 | 8
T - 17 | 8
D/ER - 18 | 6
CB - 17 | 5
TE - 15 | 5
LB - 14 | 2
DT - 16 | 1
RB - 12 | 1
IOL - 9 | 0
QB - 6 | 0
PK - 4 | 0

Lynch usually gets the first pick so expect a S, ER or CB. Kyle will lock up the next pick with a WR, T or TE.

What's this actually based off?

Steph's grand master list and filtered down to the number of those within TDN's top 150.

Oh the bold? Just their history and patterns of the past.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Steph's grand master list and filtered down to the number of those within TDN's top 150.

Oh the bold? Just their history and patterns of the past.

I think he means lynch getting 1st pick....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
This is what I love about having 11 picks on days 2 and 3. The gap just isn't that great to justify tradeups and we can get a lot of great rotational depth and future starting caliber guys later. Just hoping they don't do the dumb things this regime can't resist. No drafted running backs, no 3rd round kickers, no wide receivers in the 3rd, etc.

Yeah I agree. I still expect some sort of trade up…we can't keep 11 draft picks on this roster. s**t I don't know if we can keep half that.

Oh you know they will overdraft someone…honestly I'm fine if they draft a WRs in the 3rd

Im hoping that they maybe use some of the mid-late round picks for trading back and potentially picking up draft picks in next years draft, since we can't draft 11 players.

https://heavy.com/sports/san-francisco-49ers/brock-purdy-xavier-hutchinson-49ers-draft/

xavier Hutchinson would be an interesting player to get. I haven't researched him too much but he seems good at creating space and he played really well with Purdy. Apparently he is projected to go in the 3-4th round, right where we start picking.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Steph's grand master list and filtered down to the number of those within TDN's top 150.

Oh the bold? Just their history and patterns of the past.

I think he means lynch getting 1st pick....

Ah, outside of QB and a T Lynch already chose to trade (so needed a T), it's pretty much been that pattern down the line. I'm just playing the odds here.

Originally posted by tankle104:
https://heavy.com/sports/san-francisco-49ers/brock-purdy-xavier-hutchinson-49ers-draft/

xavier Hutchinson would be an interesting player to get. I haven't researched him too much but he seems good at creating space and he played really well with Purdy. Apparently he is projected to go in the 3-4th round, right where we start picking.

Yeah, TDN has him projected around 62...probably a little too early for us but you never know!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Steph's grand master list and filtered down to the number of those within TDN's top 150.

Oh the bold? Just their history and patterns of the past.

What history/patterns? IMO kyle has final say on every high end pick. There's no hey you get one pick I get one pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Steph's grand master list and filtered down to the number of those within TDN's top 150.

Oh the bold? Just their history and patterns of the past.

What history/patterns? IMO kyle has final say on every high end pick. There's no hey you get one pick I get one pick.

You just contradicted yourself. If John picks the 90 and Kyle picks the 53, that's a pretty good indication there's already a clear delineation of responsibility and I'm sure it's not uncommon to share those picks with ba GM so that a HC can be coaxed to join a team so that he can buy some ingredients of his own; roster power. Somebody has to ultimately have overruling power too. It's still a partnership though.

Or you can just look at who Kyle is and John is and look at our picks/targets over the past 6 years and figure it out. LOL

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Steph's grand master list and filtered down to the number of those within TDN's top 150.

Oh the bold? Just their history and patterns of the past.

I think he means lynch getting 1st pick....

I don't think anyone "gets" a pick. It's a collection of people and a ton of work leading up to making the decision

Originally posted by NCommand:
You just contradicted yourself. If John picks the 90 and Kyle picks the 53, that's a pretty good indication there's already a clear delineation of responsibility and I'm sure it's not uncommon to share those picks with ba GM so that a HC can be coaxed to join a team so that he can buy some ingredients of his own; roster power. Somebody has to ultimately have overruling power too. It's still a partnership though.

Or you can just look at who Kyle is and John is and look at our picks/targets over the past 6 years and figure it out. LOL

What? You're telling people that Lynch "gets" the first pick and kyle "gets" the second pick…in reality it's a collection of things that gets them to making a pick. It's not one person gets to pick whomever they want because "that's their pick" that ridiculous imo.

Yes Kyle has a ton of power end of the day. He's the one that hired Lynch. You think Lynch can just do whatever he wants? I don't. He's got power but he's not at the head of the table.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Steph's grand master list and filtered down to the number of those within TDN's top 150.

Oh the bold? Just their history and patterns of the past.

I think he means lynch getting 1st pick....

I don't think anyone "gets" a pick. It's a collection of people and a ton of work leading up to making the decision

I was just as curious as you as to where he was going with that

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You just contradicted yourself. If John picks the 90 and Kyle picks the 53, that's a pretty good indication there's already a clear delineation of responsibility and I'm sure it's not uncommon to share those picks with ba GM so that a HC can be coaxed to join a team so that he can buy some ingredients of his own; roster power. Somebody has to ultimately have overruling power too. It's still a partnership though.

Or you can just look at who Kyle is and John is and look at our picks/targets over the past 6 years and figure it out. LOL

What? You're telling people that Lynch "gets" the first pick and kyle "gets" the second pick…in reality it's a collection of things that gets them to making a pick. It's not one person gets to pick whomever they want because "that's their pick" that ridiculous imo.

Yes Kyle has a ton of power end of the day. He's the one that hired Lynch. You think Lynch can just do whatever he wants? I don't. He's got power but he's not at the head of the table.

Veto power. Yes, they collectively all work together and of course John would give way to Kyle if the team needs a FQB with the first pick but overall, it certainly appears that the first picks seem to line far more up with John Lynch and the second, Kyle. And it's played out like that over the years.

It wouldn't surprise me if we went defense-offense again this year too: ER/S/CB & T/WR/TE

Drake-TDP
Trey(Special Need)-Banks
Kinlaw-Aiyuk
Bosa-Samuel
McGlinchey(Lynch Trade)-Pettis
Thomas-Foster(Special Circumstance)

I think its crazy to think Lynch would simply get to make a pick unless he got a complete sign off from Kyle. My guess is they collaborate on every selection and Kyle lets John what he wants. But in reality, none of us know how they make their selections. Pure speculation.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think its crazy to think Lynch would simply get to make a pick unless he got a complete sign off from Kyle. My guess is they collaborate on every selection and Kyle lets John what he wants. But in reality, none of us know how they make their selections. Pure speculation.

Duh. But what happens if they disagree on a pick/need? To think one or the other doesn't have veto power (probably at the pick level) is not living in reality. Thinking both agree every time on every pick and they are in perfect lock step is just silly.

For instance, NY85 thinks Kyle "has a ton of power" because he hired Lynch. I agree. But how does that work in the real world? Lynch gets veto power 100% over Kyle or Kyle over him? Unlikely. One simple solution is giving veto power at the top two pick level, hence why we're seeing the defense-offense theme. And we're likely to see it again (speculation).