2023 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

Originally posted by NCommand:
Duh. But what happens if they disagree on a pick/need? To think one or the other doesn't have veto power (probably at the pick level) is not living in reality. Thinking both agree every time on every pick and they are in perfect lock step is just silly.

For instance, NY85 thinks Kyle "has a ton of power" because he hired Lynch. I agree. But how does that work in the real world? Lynch gets veto power 100% over Kyle or Kyle over him? Unlikely. One simple solution is giving veto power at the top two pick level, hence why we're seeing the defense-offense theme. And we're likely to see it again (speculation).

Dude it's all collaborative. Kyle is at the top in the pecking order…doesn't mean what he says goes no matter what. There isn't a kyle gets one pick Lynch gets one pick like you said originally. Back to draft prospect talk

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Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Duh. But what happens if they disagree on a pick/need? To think one or the other doesn't have veto power (probably at the pick level) is not living in reality. Thinking both agree every time on every pick and they are in perfect lock step is just silly.

For instance, NY85 thinks Kyle "has a ton of power" because he hired Lynch. I agree. But how does that work in the real world? Lynch gets veto power 100% over Kyle or Kyle over him? Unlikely. One simple solution is giving veto power at the top two pick level, hence why we're seeing the defense-offense theme. And we're likely to see it again (speculation).

Dude it's all collaborative. Kyle is at the top in the pecking order…doesn't mean what he says goes no matter what. There isn't a kyle gets one pick Lynch gets one pick like you said originally. Back to draft prospect talk

That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

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Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

No it's not. It's not a dictatorship. Sure he has more sway in whatever is happening. It's not gonna be a situation where everyone's like okay it's the 1st pick in the draft…lynch go ahead and make the pick regardless of what anyone else says. Oh now it's the 2nd rd pick…kyle make the pick regardless of what anyone says etc etc

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

No it's not. It's not a dictatorship. Sure he has more sway in whatever is happening. It's not gonna be a situation where everyone's like okay it's the 1st pick in the draft…lynch go ahead and make the pick regardless of what anyone else says. Oh now it's the 2nd rd pick…kyle make the pick regardless of what anyone says etc etc

Also. I know you're not just assuming because it's a D player it's a "Lynch pick" and someone on Offense is a "Kyle pick". That's a little presumptuous as well IMO. Kyle is the head coach, not just the O coordinator that only wants offensive players.

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He has a lot of guys that I've seen mocked to the niners going much later

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

No it's not. It's not a dictatorship. Sure he has more sway in whatever is happening. It's not gonna be a situation where everyone's like okay it's the 1st pick in the draft…lynch go ahead and make the pick regardless of what anyone else says. Oh now it's the 2nd rd pick…kyle make the pick regardless of what anyone says etc etc

Also. I know you're not just assuming because it's a D player it's a "Lynch pick" and someone on Offense is a "Kyle pick". That's a little presumptuous as well IMO. Kyle is the head coach, not just the O coordinator that only wants offensive players.

Sure it is. They build the entire draft board together with the entire department. Kyle would have far more expertise and input on the offensive side, and John, the defense. It doesn't mean both don't understand the importance to the other side either, in team building, BUT, if they happen to not see eye-to-eye, one of those two have veto power. Looking at the pattern, it certainly looks more likely Lynch has that for the first picks and Kyle the second.

If you both don't think this is how it's drawn up in their contracts, explain who has veto power and when. You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

No it's not. It's not a dictatorship. Sure he has more sway in whatever is happening. It's not gonna be a situation where everyone's like okay it's the 1st pick in the draft…lynch go ahead and make the pick regardless of what anyone else says. Oh now it's the 2nd rd pick…kyle make the pick regardless of what anyone says etc etc

Also. I know you're not just assuming because it's a D player it's a "Lynch pick" and someone on Offense is a "Kyle pick". That's a little presumptuous as well IMO. Kyle is the head coach, not just the O coordinator that only wants offensive players.

Sure it is. They build the entire draft board together with the entire department. Kyle would have far more expertise and input on the offensive side, and John, the defense. It doesn't mean both don't understand the importance to the other side either, in team building, BUT, if they happen to not see eye-to-eye, one of those two have veto power. Looking at the pattern, it certainly looks more likely Lynch has that for the first picks and Kyle the second.

If you both don't think this is how it's drawn up in their contracts, explain who has veto power and when. You can't have it both ways.

I think it goes something like this
Kyle "I really like this guy"
John "alright I'll see if I can get him for you"
but I think Kyles pretty hands off on most prospects and just speaks up when he has a draft crush. Like if I was a coach I'd be telling my GM if he can find a way to trade up for Deonte 🔒 Banks that won't cost us a lot he should do it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

No it's not. It's not a dictatorship. Sure he has more sway in whatever is happening. It's not gonna be a situation where everyone's like okay it's the 1st pick in the draft…lynch go ahead and make the pick regardless of what anyone else says. Oh now it's the 2nd rd pick…kyle make the pick regardless of what anyone says etc etc

Also. I know you're not just assuming because it's a D player it's a "Lynch pick" and someone on Offense is a "Kyle pick". That's a little presumptuous as well IMO. Kyle is the head coach, not just the O coordinator that only wants offensive players.

Sure it is. They build the entire draft board together with the entire department. Kyle would have far more expertise and input on the offensive side, and John, the defense. It doesn't mean both don't understand the importance to the other side either, in team building, BUT, if they happen to not see eye-to-eye, one of those two have veto power. Looking at the pattern, it certainly looks more likely Lynch has that for the first picks and Kyle the second.

If you both don't think this is how it's drawn up in their contracts, explain who has veto power and when. You can't have it both ways.

A whole lot of conviction for something you have no idea about.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

No it's not. It's not a dictatorship. Sure he has more sway in whatever is happening. It's not gonna be a situation where everyone's like okay it's the 1st pick in the draft…lynch go ahead and make the pick regardless of what anyone else says. Oh now it's the 2nd rd pick…kyle make the pick regardless of what anyone says etc etc

Also. I know you're not just assuming because it's a D player it's a "Lynch pick" and someone on Offense is a "Kyle pick". That's a little presumptuous as well IMO. Kyle is the head coach, not just the O coordinator that only wants offensive players.

Sure it is. They build the entire draft board together with the entire department. Kyle would have far more expertise and input on the offensive side, and John, the defense. It doesn't mean both don't understand the importance to the other side either, in team building, BUT, if they happen to not see eye-to-eye, one of those two have veto power. Looking at the pattern, it certainly looks more likely Lynch has that for the first picks and Kyle the second.

If you both don't think this is how it's drawn up in their contracts, explain who has veto power and when. You can't have it both ways.

I think it goes something like this
Kyle "I really like this guy"
John "alright I'll see if I can get him for you"
but I think Kyles pretty hands off on most prospects and just speaks up when he has a draft crush. Like if I was a coach I'd be telling my GM if he can find a way to trade up for Deonte 🔒 Banks that won't cost us a lot he should do it.

Haha. Love it!

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a massive contradiction. That's my exact point.

That's cool.

No it's not. It's not a dictatorship. Sure he has more sway in whatever is happening. It's not gonna be a situation where everyone's like okay it's the 1st pick in the draft…lynch go ahead and make the pick regardless of what anyone else says. Oh now it's the 2nd rd pick…kyle make the pick regardless of what anyone says etc etc

Also. I know you're not just assuming because it's a D player it's a "Lynch pick" and someone on Offense is a "Kyle pick". That's a little presumptuous as well IMO. Kyle is the head coach, not just the O coordinator that only wants offensive players.

Sure it is. They build the entire draft board together with the entire department. Kyle would have far more expertise and input on the offensive side, and John, the defense. It doesn't mean both don't understand the importance to the other side either, in team building, BUT, if they happen to not see eye-to-eye, one of those two have veto power. Looking at the pattern, it certainly looks more likely Lynch has that for the first picks and Kyle the second.

If you both don't think this is how it's drawn up in their contracts, explain who has veto power and when. You can't have it both ways.

A whole lot of conviction for something you have no idea about.

Then tell me how it works if you're so sure it works another way.