2023 Draft Prospect Watch List and Discussion

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

Not gonna be one to do that for IMO.

If they want to move up get yourself a FS you are high on.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

Not gonna be one to do that for IMO.

If they want to move up get yourself a FS you are high on.

Secure Quan Martin

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
Baalke has said they have 127 players on their big board this year (players with a draftable grade). Was listening to a podcast the other day with former Vikings GM Rick Speilman and he said it's usually around 150 players with draftable grades each draft. He said you can usually get to around the 6th round before you have to go to your other board and pick players with undraftable grades. Just a couple tid bits I found interesting because I love the draft and am fascinated by the inner workings.

Yearly it would be cool as s**t to be able to sit in on one. Even if it's day 3.

Yo JL hook me up!

Absolutely, I would love that. I'm also curious how much scouting teams do on top of the board prospects that they know they won't take/need (example chiefs scouting Bryce Young). I get that you can get info that might be useful when they become FA/or are a trade option or when your facing them, but just curious how thorough they actually look into those kinds of prospects.

I'm also curious to see if this draft has a different feel to it from other typical 49ers JL/KS era drafts since I believe it was Lynch who said they are doing it a little different this year by working from the bottom up. So starting scouting/building their board from the bottom up. I guess it makes sense since we have so many late picks this year.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

Not gonna be one to do that for IMO.

If they want to move up get yourself a FS you are high on.

Secure Quan Martin

If I'm not mistaken the JL/KS era has yet to draft a safety before the 5th round (drafted T Moore in the 3rd but when we drafted him our plan was to move him to corner). Just curious if we don't value safety as a position overall since we tend to build our defense inside out, or if that's just how the drafts have happened to play out/just wasn't a need.

But I would be all for taking Martin in the 3rd

Originally posted by Luckycharms:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

Not gonna be one to do that for IMO.

If they want to move up get yourself a FS you are high on.

Secure Quan Martin

If I'm not mistaken the JL/KS era has yet to draft a safety before the 5th round (drafted T Moore in the 3rd but when we drafted him our plan was to move him to corner). Just curious if we don't value safety as a position overall since we tend to build our defense inside out, or if that's just how the drafts have happened to play out/just wasn't a need.

But I would be all for taking Martin in the 3rd

I don't think they particularly value a Safety and I would say that's the correct way to build a team. But looking at the position we have done the most homework on it looks like finding a Safety to take over next year is the goal this year.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by NCommand:
John Lynch has taken the lead.

--- Pre Draft Player Connections Update ---

POS - Volume Count | TDN Top 160 Count
DE - 22 | 10
WR - 32 | 9
S - 29 | 8
CB - 25 | 7
T - 15 | 5
RB - 18 | 4
QB - 11 | 3
TE - 17 | 2
LB - 18 | 2
DT - 17 | 2
IOL - 11 | 1
PK - 5 | 0
P - 1 | 0

I fully expect (my speculation) the first pick to go to Lynch (ER, S or CB) and then it's Kyle's turn (WR, T, RB, QB or TE). Let's see what happens!

I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

I still think it's silly to say that a defensive player is "john lynch's pick" and an offensive player is "Shanny's pick". For all we know, lynch is in love with a tight end and wanting to prepare to move off Kittle's contract and Kyle is saying f**k you, kittle is staying forever and I need an edge rusher to get the defense off the field and my guys back on. Of course, if the draft falls in a way that a defensive player is our teams collectively agreed upon BPA, we'll hear the "told ya so's! We always pick defense first and offense second...except for when we don't ..but those are outliers! Oh, and ignore team needs and players available!"

Anyway. Jon Gaines II had rediculous testing numbers. I wonder if shanny will use one of his turns on him.


Elite explosive marks, agility marks, and good length for a guard

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by NCommand:
John Lynch has taken the lead.

--- Pre Draft Player Connections Update ---

POS - Volume Count | TDN Top 160 Count
DE - 22 | 10
WR - 32 | 9
S - 29 | 8
CB - 25 | 7
T - 15 | 5
RB - 18 | 4
QB - 11 | 3
TE - 17 | 2
LB - 18 | 2
DT - 17 | 2
IOL - 11 | 1
PK - 5 | 0
P - 1 | 0

I fully expect (my speculation) the first pick to go to Lynch (ER, S or CB) and then it's Kyle's turn (WR, T, RB, QB or TE). Let's see what happens!

I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

I still think it's silly to say that a defensive player is "john lynch's pick" and an offensive player is "Shanny's pick". For all we know, lynch is in love with a tight end on wanting to prepare to move off Kittle's contract and Kyle is saying f**k you, kittle is staying forever and I need an edge rusher to get the defense off the field and my guys back on. Of course, if we the draft falls in a way that a defensive player is our teams collectively agreed upon BPA, we'll hear the "told ya so's! We always pick defense first and offense second...except for when we don't ..but those are outliers! Oh, and ignore team needs and players available!"

Anyway. John Gaines II had rediculous testing numbers. I wonder if shanny will use one of his turns on him.

Jon Gaines II is a OG prospect in the 2023 draft class. He scored a 9.63 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 53 out of 1421 OG from 1987 to 2023. https://t.co/eGhrj9dN6U pic.twitter.com/vBIYcL1Hh4

— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) April 20, 2023

The veto power for pick 1 and 2 is JUST if they aren't aligned. It just so happened that outside of a trade (T) and a QB, it's aligned that way annually. I'm willing to bet it aligns for year 7 too. The board is starting to shape into that as well as you can see above.

That's one impressive RAS score. TDN has him at pick 254. That's the perfect athletic profile you take late and train for a couple years, Good eye.

Originally posted by NCommand:
The veto power for pick 1 and 2 is JUST if they aren't aligned. It just so happened that outside of a trade (T) and a QB, it's aligned that way annually. I'm willing to bet it aligns for year 7 too. The board is starting to shape into that as well as you can see above.

That's one impressive RAS score. TDN has him at pick 254. That's the perfect athletic profile you take late and train for a couple years, Good eye.

Except we don't know that a veto happened. Or that they weren't aligned in previous years. Not to mention defensive linemen, QBs and offensive tackles are typically more valuable than TE and RB, and in most cases WR in the first round. We drafted Soloman Thomas first year...a year shanny said he didn't spend much time scouting QBs. Was this Lunch move? Then we took a tackle...you won this time shanny. But next year, I'm sure shanny was arguing to definitely not take Nick Bosa #2 overall but didn't have the veto power. We have never used our first pick on a safety or corner either.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

Not gonna be one to do that for IMO.

If they want to move up get yourself a FS you are high on.

Secure Quan Martin

That's who I want. I bet they end up going a different direction at S though

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The veto power for pick 1 and 2 is JUST if they aren't aligned. It just so happened that outside of a trade (T) and a QB, it's aligned that way annually. I'm willing to bet it aligns for year 7 too. The board is starting to shape into that as well as you can see above.

That's one impressive RAS score. TDN has him at pick 254. That's the perfect athletic profile you take late and train for a couple years, Good eye.

Except we don't know that a veto happened. Or that they weren't aligned in previous years. Not to mention defensive linemen, QBs and offensive tackles are typically more valuable than TE and RB, and in most cases WR in the first round. We drafted Soloman Thomas first year...a year shanny said he didn't spend much time scouting QBs. Was this Lunch move? Then we took a tackle...you won this time shanny. But next year, I'm sure shanny was arguing to definitely not take Nick Bosa #2 overall but didn't have the veto power. We have never used our first pick on a safety or corner either.

Good point about the positions. I think that narrows the scope naturally the first two picks to DL, OL, WR & QB and as a HC, Kyle values every position like Lynch does anyhow so I don't anticipate there's been too many arguments either way. Lynch already had the trade in place for a T and of course, he'll pivot to Kyle for a QB while also reviewing the film closely and listening to his scouts as well. In addition, Kyle isn't going to complain about taking Bosa either. Thomas and Foster? Probably not given Kyle already had his heart set on Cousins for the next year. For the record, I think it leans to Lynch-Kyle and after that, probably BPA. Lynch already said one of his tactics is before the close of day 2, he asked his scouts and position coaches to turn in one player they'll bang the table for. That's a pretty good indication they have a strategy that works for everyone.

Friendly bet we go defense-offense again?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

Not gonna be one to do that for IMO.

If they want to move up get yourself a FS you are high on.

Secure Quan Martin

That's who I want. I bet they end up going a different direction at S though

I ain't trying to hear that my man

Originally posted by NCommand:
Good point about the positions. I think that narrows the scope naturally the first two picks to DL, OL, WR & QB and as a HC, Kyle values every position like Lynch does anyhow so I don't anticipate there's been too many arguments either way. Lynch already had the trade in place for a T and of course, he'll pivot to Kyle for a QB while also reviewing the film closely and listening to his scouts as well. In addition, Kyle isn't going to complain about taking Bosa either. Thomas and Foster? Probably not given Kyle already had his heart set on Cousins for the next year. For the record, I think it leans to Lynch-Kyle and after that, probably BPA. Lynch already said one of his tactics is before the close of day 2, he asked his scouts and position coaches to turn in one player they'll bang the table for. That's a pretty good indication they have a strategy that works for everyone.

Friendly bet we go defense-offense again?

Not really a bet I care to take because where you and I disagree is on whether or not which pick comes first even matters with regards to who in the room made the pick.

We have no idea if Lynch is pounding the table for an offensive player.

We have no idea if shanny is pounding the table for a defensive player.

We have no idea if all of the top tackles are off the board but a CB with a second round grade dropped to our pick.

Picking defense first offense second does not serve as evidence what-so-ever as to how this team deliberates and makes decisions. It not correlative and certainly not causative.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Good point about the positions. I think that narrows the scope naturally the first two picks to DL, OL, WR & QB and as a HC, Kyle values every position like Lynch does anyhow so I don't anticipate there's been too many arguments either way. Lynch already had the trade in place for a T and of course, he'll pivot to Kyle for a QB while also reviewing the film closely and listening to his scouts as well. In addition, Kyle isn't going to complain about taking Bosa either. Thomas and Foster? Probably not given Kyle already had his heart set on Cousins for the next year. For the record, I think it leans to Lynch-Kyle and after that, probably BPA. Lynch already said one of his tactics is before the close of day 2, he asked his scouts and position coaches to turn in one player they'll bang the table for. That's a pretty good indication they have a strategy that works for everyone.

Friendly bet we go defense-offense again?

Not really a bet I care to take because where you and I disagree is on whether or not which pick comes first even matters with regards to who in the room made the pick.

We have no idea if Lynch is pounding the table for an offensive player.

We have no idea if shanny is pounding the table for a defensive player.

We have no idea if all of the top tackles are off the board but a CB with a second round grade dropped to our pick.

Picking defense first offense second does not serve as evidence what-so-ever as to how this team deliberates and makes decisions. It not correlative and certainly not causative.

OK. 7 years is about a good of a pattern as you're going to get with one regime but to each his own. I'll play the odds here. But it's not a big deal one way or another so no worries. It's not like the FO has been hot in the first 2 rounds anyhow.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by NCommand:
John Lynch has taken the lead.

--- Pre Draft Player Connections Update ---

POS - Volume Count | TDN Top 160 Count
DE - 22 | 10
WR - 32 | 9
S - 29 | 8
CB - 25 | 7
T - 15 | 5
RB - 18 | 4
QB - 11 | 3
TE - 17 | 2
LB - 18 | 2
DT - 17 | 2
IOL - 11 | 1
PK - 5 | 0
P - 1 | 0

I fully expect (my speculation) the first pick to go to Lynch (ER, S or CB) and then it's Kyle's turn (WR, T, RB, QB or TE). Let's see what happens!

I'm willing to bet Kyle gets the first pick and we trade up to mid 3rd round to grab the OL he wants.

I still think it's silly to say that a defensive player is "john lynch's pick" and an offensive player is "Shanny's pick". For all we know, lynch is in love with a tight end and wanting to prepare to move off Kittle's contract and Kyle is saying f**k you, kittle is staying forever and I need an edge rusher to get the defense off the field and my guys back on. Of course, if the draft falls in a way that a defensive player is our teams collectively agreed upon BPA, we'll hear the "told ya so's! We always pick defense first and offense second...except for when we don't ..but those are outliers! Oh, and ignore team needs and players available!"

Anyway. Jon Gaines II had rediculous testing numbers. I wonder if shanny will use one of his turns on him.

Jon Gaines II is a OG prospect in the 2023 draft class. He scored a 9.63 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 53 out of 1421 OG from 1987 to 2023. https://t.co/eGhrj9dN6U pic.twitter.com/vBIYcL1Hh4

— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) April 20, 2023

Elite explosive marks, agility marks, and good length for a guard

Very similar to Jason Poe last year....where is he?