Realistic Trade-Up Ceiling?

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd rather us move up into the second to get someone we love instead of someone we like in the fourth. We just don't have enough roster spots to justify drafting 10+ players, especially when a majority are back end of the draft, our team has too much talent.

id be fine with us moving into the third and fourth too, doesn't have to be the second round.

I think we have more open spots than many think.

6 for sure

1 OT
1 TE
2 DE
1 S
1 LB/S combo

Competition/future replacement needs

OG-Preferably a OG/OT combo. Banks allowed 25 pressures and Burford wasn't exactly great either. At the very least competition is needed. We also need depth behind them.

RB- Mitchell is always hurt CMC also has nagging injuries. I'm not Sold on TDP. I do like Mason but would love at least a pass catching back to go with Mason in case Mitchell and CMC get hurt together.

LB- If Fred or Dre goes down I'm not as sold on Burks or McCrary stepping in like I was Shaair.

IDL- I have Kinlaw, Givens, Hargrave. Armstead and Davis at IDL. Which 5 is all we need on the 53 but how often is Kinlaw available? I know we have others on the roster currently but they too could use competition.

That right there is 10 spots I think we need to address and only have 11 picks. Not saying we need to draft all of these positions but we need more picks than many think IMO.

A starting RT is only position I'd trade up for.

Giving up 3 3rds just to draft 1 player would not be wise IMO.

You could come away with an edge guy, RT and S instead of 1 OT.

Byron Young (TEN)
Wanya Morris
Ji'Ayir Brown

Looks better than Matthew Bergeron or Blake Freeland or whatever RT you plan on moving up for

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd rather us move up into the second to get someone we love instead of someone we like in the fourth. We just don't have enough roster spots to justify drafting 10+ players, especially when a majority are back end of the draft, our team has too much talent.

id be fine with us moving into the third and fourth too, doesn't have to be the second round.

I think we have more open spots than many think.

6 for sure

1 OT
1 TE
2 DE
1 S
1 LB/S combo

Competition/future replacement needs

OG-Preferably a OG/OT combo. Banks allowed 25 pressures and Burford wasn't exactly great either. At the very least competition is needed. We also need depth behind them.

RB- Mitchell is always hurt CMC also has nagging injuries. I'm not Sold on TDP. I do like Mason but would love at least a pass catching back to go with Mason in case Mitchell and CMC get hurt together.

LB- If Fred or Dre goes down I'm not as sold on Burks or McCrary stepping in like I was Shaair.

IDL- I have Kinlaw, Givens, Hargrave. Armstead and Davis at IDL. Which 5 is all we need on the 53 but how often is Kinlaw available? I know we have others on the roster currently but they too could use competition.

That right there is 10 spots I think we need to address and only have 11 picks. Not saying we need to draft all of these positions but we need more picks than many think IMO.

A starting RT is only position I'd trade up for.

Giving up 3 3rds just to draft 1 player would not be wise IMO.

You could come away with an edge guy, RT and S instead of 1 OT.

Byron Young (TEN)
Wanya Morris
Ji'Ayir Brown

Looks better than Matthew Bergeron or Blake Freeland or whatever RT you plan on moving up for

Interesting. Appreciate the feedback. I think we draft at least two DE. It'll be a very interesting draft. I'm pumped.

im curious your opinion, can you see us trading any players during the draft? If so, who?

Originally posted by tankle104:
Interesting. Appreciate the feedback. I think we draft at least two DE. It'll be a very interesting draft. I'm pumped.

im curious your opinion, can you see us trading any players during the draft? If so, who?

Kinlaw is only one that seems to have anything more than a 5% chance.

Trey is the only other player that could even be considered to be moved. That then would all come down to how Kyle and/Or JL views him with this team. I view this scenario as highly unlikely.

I guess there is a small chance Mitchell could have value. Though giving the cheap contract and abundance of picks I don't see it happening.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Interesting. Appreciate the feedback. I think we draft at least two DE. It'll be a very interesting draft. I'm pumped.

im curious your opinion, can you see us trading any players during the draft? If so, who?

Kinlaw is only one that seems to have anything more than a 5% chance.

Trey is the only other player that could even be considered to be moved. That then would all come down to how Kyle and/Or JL views him with this team. I view this scenario as highly unlikely.

I guess there is a small chance Mitchell could have value. Though giving the cheap contract and abundance of picks I don't see it happening.

I think Kinlaw is going to thrive being a role player, especially behind Gravedigger. I would like to keep him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We aren't gonna keep 11 rookies on this roster. We're gonna have a s**t ton of picks next yr as well between lost players and coach/GM comps.

I'd much rather move up for better players….doesn't have to be in the 2nd or anything. I'd give up a 3rd this yr and next to go get a guy we think will be a starting OT/CB or EDGE talent.

This. We need an OT or a safety if they slide a little. It's worth trading up for sure.

I think we would be better off trading up from the 6th round area or even from 5th to 4th.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We aren't gonna keep 11 rookies on this roster. We're gonna have a s**t ton of picks next yr as well between lost players and coach/GM comps.

I'd much rather move up for better players….doesn't have to be in the 2nd or anything. I'd give up a 3rd this yr and next to go get a guy we think will be a starting OT/CB or EDGE talent.

This. We need an OT or a safety if they slide a little. It's worth trading up for sure.

The Niners 3rds are basically high 4ths. Would we trade multiple 4ths to get a 2nd?

I'm good with it. Quality over quantity.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no guarantees in draft sure, but there is a linear correlation between round and odds of success

True but you are a lot more likely to hit on one of your three 3rd rd picks then you are if you traded all three to move up for one late 2nd rounder.

ideally you trade two of your 3rd rounders to move up to early third round. That is the way to go.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We aren't gonna keep 11 rookies on this roster. We're gonna have a s**t ton of picks next yr as well between lost players and coach/GM comps.

I'd much rather move up for better players….doesn't have to be in the 2nd or anything. I'd give up a 3rd this yr and next to go get a guy we think will be a starting OT/CB or EDGE talent.

This. We need an OT or a safety if they slide a little. It's worth trading up for sure.

The Niners 3rds are basically high 4ths. Would we trade multiple 4ths to get a 2nd?

I'm good with it. Quality over quantity.

I agree with the quality over quantity approach, in a world where our guys always pick the correct guys. In the imperfect world where we live, I like the idea of hitting on at least one or two of our late third rounders other than casting them all in for a shot at Freeland or someone, who may not in fact be better than who we get at 99. We are like a big net down there at 99, 101 and 102, catching any good players who slip.

Originally posted by Murphys1:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We aren't gonna keep 11 rookies on this roster. We're gonna have a s**t ton of picks next yr as well between lost players and coach/GM comps.

I'd much rather move up for better players….doesn't have to be in the 2nd or anything. I'd give up a 3rd this yr and next to go get a guy we think will be a starting OT/CB or EDGE talent.

This. We need an OT or a safety if they slide a little. It's worth trading up for sure.

The Niners 3rds are basically high 4ths. Would we trade multiple 4ths to get a 2nd?

I'm good with it. Quality over quantity.

I agree with the quality over quantity approach, in a world where our guys always pick the correct guys. In the imperfect world where we live, I like the idea of hitting on at least one or two of our late third rounders other than casting them all in for a shot at Freeland or someone, who may not in fact be better than who we get at 99. We are like a big net down there at 99, 101 and 102, catching any good players who slip.

💯 facts

I mentioned in an earlier post that Jimmy Johnson liked the quantity approach mainly because he realized that drafting isn't an exact science. He knew that he could miss as often as he could hit. I agree that moving up is a better way to go, at least on paper as long as there's a player that you really want. Then you need to find a team that wants all those picks that you are so willing to unload. That's not always easy if there's still real quality on the board.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I mentioned in an earlier post that Jimmy Johnson liked the quantity approach mainly because he realized that drafting isn't an exact science. He knew that he could miss as often as he could hit. I agree that moving up is a better way to go, at least on paper as long as there's a player that you really want. Then you need to find a team that wants all those picks that you are so willing to unload. That's not always easy if there's still real quality on the board.

So kind of just nab 11 guys and see which ones work out? Now a bad idea. Reminds me of the saying "ask 10 women and one will say yes". Lol if we miss on 11 guys - lord help us.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no guarantees in draft sure, but there is a linear correlation between round and odds of success

True but you are a lot more likely to hit on one of your three 3rd rd picks then you are if you traded all three to move up for one late 2nd rounder.

ideally you trade two of your 3rd rounders to move up to early third round. That is the way to go.

Id rather take 3 guys at the end of the 3rd. Is there a massive talent drop off between say pick 75 and 99? We have, not necessarily grave needs, but we do have needs and I've counted 9 or 10 spots a rookie could come in and fill.

I like this staff's ability to spot the right guys and they should do some great things with that many bites at the apple.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no guarantees in draft sure, but there is a linear correlation between round and odds of success

True but you are a lot more likely to hit on one of your three 3rd rd picks then you are if you traded all three to move up for one late 2nd rounder.

ideally you trade two of your 3rd rounders to move up to early third round. That is the way to go.

Id rather take 3 guys at the end of the 3rd. Is there a massive talent drop off between say pick 75 and 99? We have, not necessarily grave needs, but we do have needs and I've counted 9 or 10 spots a rookie could come in and fill.

I like this staff's ability to spot the right guys and they should do some great things with that many bites at the apple.

Idk who is responsible for scouting these Midwest and mid round picks - but give that man a damn raise. Lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no guarantees in draft sure, but there is a linear correlation between round and odds of success

True but you are a lot more likely to hit on one of your three 3rd rd picks then you are if you traded all three to move up for one late 2nd rounder.

ideally you trade two of your 3rd rounders to move up to early third round. That is the way to go.

Id rather take 3 guys at the end of the 3rd. Is there a massive talent drop off between say pick 75 and 99? We have, not necessarily grave needs, but we do have needs and I've counted 9 or 10 spots a rookie could come in and fill.

I like this staff's ability to spot the right guys and they should do some great things with that many bites at the apple.

Idk who is responsible for scouting these Midwest and mid round picks - but give that man a damn raise. Lol

I think part of that is the Niners draft for "need" I'm the early part of the draft, but shift to BPA in the later rounds.