Here's the thing for me. If we adequately replace and potentially upgrade guys we've lost in FA and then turn around and get a full hand of further comp picks for those same FA departures, that's good management imo.
The salary cap ensures every team has a ceiling and we've been bumping our heads against it for a couple of seasons. Different areas will get weaker and stronger as players come and go but overall we're going to stay about the same.
In a vacuum it might not be a stellar draft, but we might look back in 2-3 seasons and it really serves its purpose.
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Apr 29, 2023 at 4:22 PM
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Apr 29, 2023 at 4:24 PM
- tankle104
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by scooterhd:
Moody was 3rd round. I understand comp picks, but a spade is a spade. He was drafted in the 3rd.
Who gives a f**k. lol as long as he works out, does it matter? We've burned like 6+ first round picks and a s**tload of 2nd. If the player works out, does it really matter?
NY has said it many times, this is a super weak draft. I think we got a handful of guys who will fit our system perfectly and contribute here while they develop.
It was super weak at the top but super deep in the middle rounds.
It's more of development guys. Quality guys to develop. Not many guys will contribute a lot this season. So taking the most important need we have in the third for the best in the draft at the position, well worth it.
look at Jackson? Used a second last year and he barley played. This is a stacked team, if moody come through this year and helps us win games and is reliable, who cares where he was taken.
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:25 PM
- tankle104
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Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Here's the thing for me. If we adequately replace and potentially upgrade guys we've lost in FA and then turn around and get a full hand of further comp picks for those same FA departures, that's good management imo.
The salary cap ensures every team has a ceiling and we've been bumping our heads against it for a couple of seasons. Different areas will get weaker and stronger as players come and go but overall we're going to stay about the same.
In a vacuum it might not be a stellar draft, but we might look back in 2-3 seasons and it really serves its purpose.
I 100% agree. All of our draft picks essentially started after 100 players were taken. Think of it as instead of a second this year, we drafted CMC. Lol
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:25 PM
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
If someone would've told me we wouldn't draft a single offensive lineman I would've beat the farm they were dead wrong. I'll never understand their philosophy of never prioritizing the offensive line. Mindboggling.
It can only be explained by Shanahan's plan to prove he's so good as an OC that he needs only an average or below average OLine.
I was calling it. Don't approve but it seemed like the direction they were going.
Didn't you float the theory that the staff is higher on McKivitz than the fans are? Maybe they are higher on Jaylon Moore as well. If McKivitz is the starter, wouldn't that make Jaylon Moore the swing tackle? I'm going to say perhaps they like both more than the fans do. Gotta be a Foerster call, because I can't imagine Foerster wanting an O-lineman in the draft and Kyle and John just ignoring him.
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:30 PM
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
If someone would've told me we wouldn't draft a single offensive lineman I would've beat the farm they were dead wrong. I'll never understand their philosophy of never prioritizing the offensive line. Mindboggling.
It can only be explained by Shanahan's plan to prove he's so good as an OC that he needs only an average or below average OLine.
I was calling it. Don't approve but it seemed like the direction they were going.
Didn't you float the theory that the staff is higher on McKivitz than the fans are? Maybe they are higher on Jaylon Moore as well. If McKivitz is the starter, wouldn't that make Jaylon Moore the swing tackle? I'm going to say perhaps they like both more than the fans do. Gotta be a Foerster call, because I can't imagine Foerster wanting an O-lineman in the draft and Kyle and John just ignoring him.
Yeah could be a Jake Brendel type situation where the staff felt comfortable with him going into the draft last year and all of us were hoping we draft a center and it turned out just fine. I actually like the 2 veteran OL we signed in FA and looks like the staff does as well
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:32 PM
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Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Which UDFA RB are we picking up this time around?
Not Keaton Mitchell unfortunately. He's going to Baltimore.
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:33 PM
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Originally posted by tankle104:
You guys hating on the kicker are out of your damn minds. Lol we spent a fourth on the best kicker in the draft. Literally our biggest need.
idk why everyone thinks good kickers are fall off trees everyday. You NEED someone dependable, it's the difference between like 3-5 wins every year
uou guys really think some offensive line player is going to make any difference this season or play any snaps!
I play in a 32 team dynasty league where I see guys waste draft picks on kickers EVERY year in the rookie draft and then they end up spending another pick trading for one someone picked up off the WW.
Kickers in general are unreliable. Even more so when they are rookies. Just because you took the 1st kicker doesn't mean you took the bet one. Even if the consensus was he was the best one. His track record of only 66% over 40 yards is not a good mark. I'm willing to bet Zane Gonzalez' track record on 40+ yard kicks are at worse on par with that number.
To me you don't spend a 3rd on 66%
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:37 PM
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Cowboys have added a fullback: North Dakota State's Hunter Luepke has agreed to terms, a person familiar with negotiations said. Dallas is expected to secure more than 20 undrafted rookies in feverish process currently underway.
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Apr 29, 2023 at 4:37 PM
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Looks like two of the o line guys people wanted are UDFA here
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:42 PM
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by tankle104:
You guys hating on the kicker are out of your damn minds. Lol we spent a fourth on the best kicker in the draft. Literally our biggest need.
idk why everyone thinks good kickers are fall off trees everyday. You NEED someone dependable, it's the difference between like 3-5 wins every year
uou guys really think some offensive line player is going to make any difference this season or play any snaps!
I play in a 32 team dynasty league where I see guys waste draft picks on kickers EVERY year in the rookie draft and then they end up spending another pick trading for one someone picked up off the WW.
Kickers in general are unreliable. Even more so when they are rookies. Just because you took the 1st kicker doesn't mean you took the bet one. Even if the consensus was he was the best one. His track record of only 66% over 40 yards is not a good mark. I'm willing to bet Zane Gonzalez' track record on 40+ yard kicks are at worse on par with that number.
To me you don't spend a 3rd on 66%
No but we took the one we wanted the most. As long as he works out, especially when it's 100 picks deep in the draft, I couldn't care less. Especially in this draft.
If the guy sucks, then I'll hate on him.
all that matters in the draft is if the guy works out. If moody was our favorite and we took him before pats could (they took a kicker like 13 picks later) then great
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:42 PM
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Cowboys have added a fullback: North Dakota State's Hunter Luepke has agreed to terms, a person familiar with negotiations said. Dallas is expected to secure more than 20 undrafted rookies in feverish process currently underway.
— Michael Gehlken (@GehlkenNFL) April 29, 2023
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:42 PM
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I can't believe we didn't draft a single offensive lineman
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:45 PM
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Originally posted by TrojanPV:
I can't believe we didn't draft a single offensive lineman
Have two so far in UDFA signing. Ones people wanted too
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:46 PM
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
If someone would've told me we wouldn't draft a single offensive lineman I would've beat the farm they were dead wrong. I'll never understand their philosophy of never prioritizing the offensive line. Mindboggling.
It can only be explained by Shanahan's plan to prove he's so good as an OC that he needs only an average or below average OLine.
I was calling it. Don't approve but it seemed like the direction they were going.
Didn't you float the theory that the staff is higher on McKivitz than the fans are? Maybe they are higher on Jaylon Moore as well. If McKivitz is the starter, wouldn't that make Jaylon Moore the swing tackle? I'm going to say perhaps they like both more than the fans do. Gotta be a Foerster call, because I can't imagine Foerster wanting an O-lineman in the draft and Kyle and John just ignoring him.
Theres 0 doubt that the 9ers are high on Mckivitz, Moore, and probably even Burford's ability to move outside in a pinch. Every draft site and pundit and every mock around had OT and IOL as a primary need for the 49ers and to not address it all shows they are content with what they have. Seems incredibly short sighted at best to me. Trent isnt playing forever and was a good chance to bring in a developmental swing like Freeland or a functional piece that Saldiveri that could play up and down the line. But obviously hoping that they are right, and that the injury bug does not strike.
Apr 29, 2023 at 4:49 PM
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UDFAs so far:
OT Joey Fisher (thank goodness)
WR Shaw Wyatt
OL Corey Luciano
OL Ilm Manning
DB Avery Young
OT Joey Fisher (thank goodness)
WR Shaw Wyatt
OL Corey Luciano
OL Ilm Manning
DB Avery Young