🏈 2023 NFL ENTRY DRAFT 🏈

Originally posted by NCommand:
Really? Look at the projected starting lineup. They've added a TON of resources to the back end. All 10 are from the past 2 years!

RCB: Charvarius Ward
SCB: Isaiah Oliver; Samuel Womack
LCB: Deommodore Lenoir; Darell Luter Jr.
FS: Tashaun Gipson; Ji'Ayir Brown
SS: Talanoa Hufanga; Miles Hartsfield & George Odum

Ton of resources? Seriously?

One guy was a big investment. And he isn't in Trents neighborhood of a salary. Oliver cost less than Brendel.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
My way too early prediction for 2024 is we use our first on an OT.

Pretty sure they will. Certainly won't use it on a DB.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Really? Look at the projected starting lineup. They've added a TON of resources to the back end. All 10 are from the past 2 years!

RCB: Charvarius Ward
SCB: Isaiah Oliver; Samuel Womack
LCB: Deommodore Lenoir; Darell Luter Jr.
FS: Tashaun Gipson; Ji'Ayir Brown
SS: Talanoa Hufanga; Miles Hartsfield & George Odum

Ton of resources? Seriously?

One guy was a big investment. And he isn't in Trents neighborhood of a salary. Oliver cost less than Brendel.

Literally every starter and backup has been added to the secondary over 2 years. I didn't even include resigning Jimmie Ward and Ambry Thomas. They're clearly trying at all levels.

Now, if you want to discuss the quality of those resources, I get you. I share your philosophy there too but when you hyperspend on the DL, our units get hit hard on the other side. That's the pattern.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Literally every starter and backup has been added to the secondary over 2 years. I didn't even include resigning Jimmie Ward and Ambry Thomas. They're clearly trying at all levels.

Now, if you want to discuss the quality of those resources, I get you. I share your philosophy there too but when you hyperspend on the DL, our units get hit hard on the other side. That's the pattern.

Your whole argument is about quality and "talent rounds". Two of the 5 starters on the secondary are undrafted dudes. Ain't no former top 5 overall pick.

They aren't trying at all levels. They spent on one guy and then when bargain shopping everywhere else. Exactly what you are bemoaning.

9ers and Commanders only teams since 2017 to not use a 1st or 2nd on a DB. One other team.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth. If not for Trent, this might be the cheapest OL in the NFL anyway right now. If you're not going to get a higher priced FA, go the cheaper rookie route with higher upside. Just add the talent annually like the best do and let the chips fall where they may. "You can never have too many good OL!" - something you'll never hear from this staff/FO (maybe Foerster, haha).

Still more investment than the secondary.

Guess what though. All of us complaining would have also preferred us drafting a CB over a kicker as well

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Literally every starter and backup has been added to the secondary over 2 years. I didn't even include resigning Jimmie Ward and Ambry Thomas. They're clearly trying at all levels.

Now, if you want to discuss the quality of those resources, I get you. I share your philosophy there too but when you hyperspend on the DL, our units get hit hard on the other side. That's the pattern.

Your whole argument is about quality and "talent rounds". Two of the 5 starters on the secondary are undrafted dudes. Ain't no former top 5 overall pick.

They aren't trying at all levels. They spent on one guy and then when bargain shopping everywhere else. Exactly what you are bemoaning.

9ers and Commanders only teams since 2017 to not use a 1st or 2nd on a DB. One other team.

That's a bad streak indeed. I'm with you.

It sounds like we want the same thing for our priority position groups.

Jed: How are you going to build this team, fellas?
John: We're putting everything we have into the DL. Most $ and resources in NFL history.
Kyle: Running game for me.
Jed: OK, that sounds expensive. Where will you go thin?
John: Secondary. No need for great players there with the best front in football in front of them.
Kyle: OL. I can scheme around anything. QB too, now that I think about it.
Jed: Sounds great! #6 is almost here!

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Truth. If not for Trent, this might be the cheapest OL in the NFL anyway right now. If you're not going to get a higher priced FA, go the cheaper rookie route with higher upside. Just add the talent annually like the best do and let the chips fall where they may. "You can never have too many good OL!" - something you'll never hear from this staff/FO (maybe Foerster, haha).

Still more investment than the secondary.

Guess what though. All of us complaining would have also preferred us drafting a CB over a kicker as well

LOL. Facts.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Guess what though. All of us complaining would have also preferred us drafting a CB over a kicker as well

And I'm not defending taking Moody.

I disagree ALL of us would tho.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a bad steak indeed. I'm with you.

It sounds like we want the same thing for our priority position groups.

Jed: How are you going to build this team, fellas?
John: We're putting everything we have into the DL. Most $ and resources in NFL history.
Kyle: Running game for me.
Jed: OK, that sounds expensive. Where will you go thin?
John: Secondary. No need for great players there with the best front in football in front of them.
Kyle: OL. I can scheme around anything. QB too, now that I think about it.
Jed: Sounds great! #6 is almost here!

To be fair, the O-Line is more about cohesion than individual talent, so this does make some sense. Brendel got better as the year went on, McKivitz got the gold helmet for a reason, time to find out if he can play.

Purdy got hurt because we had a TE blocking an All Pro rusher, Lance ran into a 300+ DL and then tried to juke him in half a phone box, Jimmy tried to make a play beyond his athletic capacity instead of just eating an obvious sack or throwing at the feet of his primary receiver.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a bad steak indeed. I'm with you.

It sounds like we want the same thing for our priority position groups.

Jed: How are you going to build this team, fellas?
John: We're putting everything we have into the DL. Most $ and resources in NFL history.
Kyle: Running game for me.
Jed: OK, that sounds expensive. Where will you go thin?
John: Secondary. No need for great players there with the best front in football in front of them.
Kyle: OL. I can scheme around anything. QB too, now that I think about it.
Jed: Sounds great! #6 is almost here!

To be fair, the O-Line is more about cohesion than individual talent, so this does make some sense. Brendel got better as the year went on, McKivitz got the gold helmet for a reason, time to find out if he can play.

Purdy got hurt because we had a TE blocking an All Pro rusher, Lance ran into a 300+ DL and then tried to juke him in half a phone box, Jimmy tried to make a play beyond his athletic capacity instead of just eating an obvious sack or throwing at the feet of his primary receiver.

Cohesion WITH talent. Why? As Kyle said, they play 1,100 snaps in a 17 game season...more through the playoffs. Cohesion can and will go far but eventually, the talent is exposed one way or another in the playoffs.

Yeah, I identified Brendel from the start of having a quality skill set, knew Foerster's system inside and out and his work ethic and conditioning is off the charts. My only question was his transition into a FT starter and his trajectory as the season wore on (e.g. more film, conditioning, mental stamina, etc.). But he proved to be very steady so I was all about resigning him. McKivitz got the gold helmet, then proceeded to have his work ethic questioned to the point he was cut last year. Now, he's a gold star player again b/c he finally took his job seriously? Call me skeptical. I think he's just not a very talented player and has a moderate ceiling at best. Most likely, the long season will expose that ceiling. Don't be surprised if we see Pryor in there at some point. And for a guy who's only had 600 snaps, he's already been on I.R, a couple times. No bueno.

I'm not blaming the OL 'on' the injuries themselves but the consistent immediate pressure given up by the unit pass protection usually kicks off the sequence of events.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Literally every starter and backup has been added to the secondary over 2 years. I didn't even include resigning Jimmie Ward and Ambry Thomas. They're clearly trying at all levels.

Now, if you want to discuss the quality of those resources, I get you. I share your philosophy there too but when you hyperspend on the DL, our units get hit hard on the other side. That's the pattern.

Your whole argument is about quality and "talent rounds". Two of the 5 starters on the secondary are undrafted dudes. Ain't no former top 5 overall pick.

They aren't trying at all levels. They spent on one guy and then when bargain shopping everywhere else. Exactly what you are bemoaning.

9ers and Commanders only teams since 2017 to not use a 1st or 2nd on a DB. One other team.

Besides this season, we spent the most $ in nfl history (and a draft pick) for the best LT in the nfl, a second round pick on LG, and had spent a top 11 pick on a RT, our RG is a fourth round pick. Our center is the only one that we didn't use a valuable resource on. So it isn't true that we don't spend valuable resources on the OL.

Our DL is obviously the area where they believe the highest value draft capital needs to go.

We've spent pretty good size money in FA on a CB, a couple of third rounders, a fifth, and a third on secondary. They just haven't worked out as well - but that's valuable resources.

We also haven't had a first round pick for essentially three years, def not the last two.

Things usually go in cycles as you try to replenish your team or make up for misses. Can't be OL/DL/CB every year with your first few picks, when we don't even have them. We've had 1 second round pick in the last two drafts and 0 first.

The 3rd round is a complete waste on us. Compounded negatively since we earn so many comp 3's. The 49ers simply don't rank players the way everyone else does. The ignore the mahomes, Watson, mccaffery types. If it's not Bosa we suck at drafting early as well. They don't bother drafting guys that were ranked in the top 50 and dropped. The reach for someone they fell in love with that's slated to go later. Banks drafted in 2nd was a 4/5 guy. Ambry Thomas drafted in 3rd was a 5. Latu is the latest example. I got so excited thinking they traded up for Darnell Washington. I think brown, who I like woulda been there at 99. Moody pick I don't love but I can justify it. I like ryland better tho. Latu pick is what I'll be complaining about until he leaves after his first contract. Won't be surprised if the 2nd TE we drafted ends up better. Day 3 we threw darts at traits. Their late round history gives me some hope. We just basically suck until round 4/5.

The teams that can beat us drafted well. Philly particularly.

I could see moody working out, Luter, Beal. And the UDFA tackle and running back intrigue.

I can't get mad anymore. We don't draft well day 1/2. Facts

2021 draft is the epitome of who we are

1. Lance
2. Banks
3. Sermon
day 3 Hufunga, Mitchell, Lenoir

sadly it's tough to know on draft day what day 3 picks will be. It's a lot easier to identify mistakes day 1/2 immediately. Hated banks, Thomas, sermon, TDP, Latu, instantly. Banks turning into an adequate starter year 2 is a win with our history. Thomas, TDP, and Sermon are likely all gone by week 1 this year. Thankfully we aren't scared to cut our losses.

I hope I'm shocked and Latu turns into an all pro. The opportunity was to draft a starter to replace kittle as soon as possible for cap relief. George tenure will last a lot longer because of this draft. Missed opportunity

I think Thomas will continue to improve and make the roster as the primary backup. TDP is a question mark but they didn't draft a replacement, so I think he sticks. I am 100% sure the 49ers will not be able to release Sermon this off-season...

Why why why spend a 3rd rounder on a kicker. Some of the best kickers were undrafted.

Gould
Vinatieri
Tucker

It makes no frigging sense.