2024 Draft Class: OL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
True overall but we need a true 2i, not 3T. We'd be doing Hargrave wrong again. Save the 2i for day 2 or 3. Or the market. Those players are always available.

That said, it still wouldn't surprise me one bit if we go DT with 31. I think ShanaLynch will continue to try and win a Superbowl through the DL. It's ingrained in their core team building DNA beliefs.

If Chris Jones 2.0 is there. You take him. You don't worry about what you "need" you just get good players. Those players are not always available like you think.

dominant DT > dominant IOL

Yeah, there's only 1 Chris Jones who destroys 49er OL in Superbowls in the most critical moments.

If Chris Jones 2.0 truly exists, he ain't going at 31.

Get dominant OL to block Chris Jones Wannabe 2.0 so we can finally win #6.

I was just about to say, if the second coming of Chris Jones or Aaron Donald is in this draft, they aren't lasting until 31. They are going top 5, maybe even top 3.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, there's only 1 Chris Jones who destroys 49er OL in Superbowls in the most critical moments.

If Chris Jones 2.0 truly exists, he ain't going at 31.

Get dominant OL to block Chris Jones Wannabe 2.0 so we can finally win #6.

He destroys a lot of offensive lines.

Chris jones went in the 2nd.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
I was just about to say, if the second coming of Chris Jones or Aaron Donald is in this draft, they aren't lasting until 31. They are going top 5, maybe even top 3.

Like I said Chris Jones went in the 2nd rd. He was regarded as a traits only with high upside super raw. Up until he actually started playing well, he was known as the guys who's dick fell out of his pants running a 40 at the combine lol. Not as some dominant DT.

Aaron Donald wasn't regarded as some slam dunk pick either.

Point is, draft the best player at 31. f**king around drafted for need and passing over good talent is a horrible way to build a team. People can cry all they want about the OL…just because you draft a guy that plays that position doesn't mean that solves the problem. Get. Good. Football. Players. The rest will figure itself out

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a good way of looking at it. I'm starting to hear chatter of a S at 31. Any high end FS's in this draft?

Anyone chattering about S at 31 hasn't paid attention to this draft class. Overall this is a massively weak S class, especially early. I don't even think there will be a single S taken in the 1st.

also I thought you were gonna get me a list of lineman you like and why? You talk so much about OL & how s**tty ours is and whatnot. You should be figuring out who those guys should be (not just in RD1). I'd like to see who and why from NC

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:
I'm all over Troy Fautanu and think he slips for us to trade up due to his size and projection to G. I think he can still play T with his shorter arms bc his feet are freaky fast.

Trade up for Troy Fautanu in the 1rst
and snag Kingsley Suamataia in the 2nd

His arm length is fine at 34 1/2 " He should stay outside.. question is he will go top 25 and even 20?

Totally worth trading next years 1rst to move up to 20 to get Fautanu imo Think he can eventually take over for Trent Williams at LT but immediately start RT or RG. I like Suamataia's potential to develop to start at RT but RG at worst bc he can move too

I would love Fautanu but dear lord we better not trade a future first. We are so fortunate that the organization lucked into Brock Purdy. Had we not, and Lance didn't pan out, we would really be set back. I'm good with trading a couple of this years picks to go up and get Fautanu since we have quite a few, but not next years high end picks. We need to hit on these picks now more then ever because our teams core is aging and their backloaded contracts are getting more and more expensive, case in point AA. Not only do we need to find studs early in the draft to help maintain our window, but also find some quality depth out of the backend of the draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
I was just about to say, if the second coming of Chris Jones or Aaron Donald is in this draft, they aren't lasting until 31. They are going top 5, maybe even top 3.

Like I said Chris Jones went in the 2nd rd. He was regarded as a traits only with high upside super raw. Up until he actually started playing well, he was known as the guys who's dick fell out of his pants running a 40 at the combine lol. Not as some dominant DT.

Aaron Donald wasn't regarded as some slam dunk pick either.

Point is, draft the best player at 31. f**king around drafted for need and passing over good talent is a horrible way to build a team. People can cry all they want about the OL…just because you draft a guy that plays that position doesn't mean that solves the problem. Get. Good. Football. Players. The rest will figure itself out

Well I guess it depends on which Chris Jones/Aaron Donald we are talking about. Modern day Jones/Donald or pre NFL draft versions? Pre draft Jones and Donald went where they went for the exact reasons you stated. I was referring to today's version of Jones/Donald.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, there's only 1 Chris Jones who destroys 49er OL in Superbowls in the most critical moments.

If Chris Jones 2.0 truly exists, he ain't going at 31.

Get dominant OL to block Chris Jones Wannabe 2.0 so we can finally win #6.

He destroys a lot of offensive lines.

Chris jones went in the 2nd.

He won't anymore. GM's love them some DL. How funny (and sad) Andy gets Jones and Mahomes where he got them.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a good way of looking at it. I'm starting to hear chatter of a S at 31. Any high end FS's in this draft?

Anyone chattering about S at 31 hasn't paid attention to this draft class. Overall this is a massively weak S class, especially early. I don't even think there will be a single S taken in the 1st.

also I thought you were gonna get me a list of lineman you like and why? You talk so much about OL & how s**tty ours is and whatnot. You should be figuring out who those guys should be (not just in RD1). I'd like to see who and why from NC

Good, I'm actually glad to hear it.

I never said this OL sucks. I just said it wasn't going to be good enough and it'll cost you in the end. Like it always does. You can't roll into Superbowls with a platoon at RG, McKivitz and Brendel and expect to win a Superbowl.

This year? I'm done. 7 years of off season plans in FA and the draft and ZERO matches from the FO.

They're on their own this year (so to speak). I'm no longer invested. If they fix it, we'll win. If they don't, we're the Bills.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Well I guess it depends on which Chris Jones/Aaron Donald we are talking about. Modern day Jones/Donald or pre NFL draft versions? Pre draft Jones and Donald went where they went for the exact reasons you stated. I was referring to today's version of Jones/Donald.

I mean you can't look at drafts like that. You can say a prospect is comparable to those guys, but until they actually play. We have no idea.

happens every yr. I remember when guys like Simmons, aaron curry, kyle Pitts were regarded as the best prospects in the drafts. Can't miss.

s**t we thought Crabtree was the next Rice lol. I was so stoked when we drafted him.

Originally posted by NCommand:
He won't anymore. GM's love them some DL. How funny (and sad) Andy gets Jones and Mahomes where he got them.

Chris Jones was a traits guy with upside. He was raw as s**t coming out of college. You had nfl analysts comping Kinlaw to him lol. Same + and - coming into the league.

There's dozens of guys like that turn into nothing. Comparing what if prospects to a in his prime guy like Jones is silly.

point is you can't just find dominant DL guys anywhere. You can't just find dominant OT like Trent. Guys like Kittle don't come around every draft etc etc.

just draft the best players. Stop trying to fill holes and push players up to r board because of need.

You of all guys should know this. Wrifs was BPA but at that point wasn't a need (knowing they were getting Trent) still take him and figure it out. They went need and now our 1st rd pick is playing for the Jets lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Well I guess it depends on which Chris Jones/Aaron Donald we are talking about. Modern day Jones/Donald or pre NFL draft versions? Pre draft Jones and Donald went where they went for the exact reasons you stated. I was referring to today's version of Jones/Donald.

I mean you can't look at drafts like that. You can say a prospect is comparable to those guys, but until they actually play. We have no idea.

happens every yr. I remember when guys like Simmons, aaron curry, kyle Pitts were regarded as the best prospects in the drafts. Can't miss.

s**t we thought Crabtree was the next Rice lol. I was so stoked when we drafted him.

Well but that's the thing. Happens every draft and will continue to happen. Every prospect gets compared to some current stud and that is a major factor for where they are selected. In my eyes, there really isn't such a thing as a can't miss prospect. The last one I recall was Trevor Lawrence and based off where he is at today, imo he has vastly under performed in comparison to his "can't miss" projection.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Well I guess it depends on which Chris Jones/Aaron Donald we are talking about. Modern day Jones/Donald or pre NFL draft versions? Pre draft Jones and Donald went where they went for the exact reasons you stated. I was referring to today's version of Jones/Donald.

I mean you can't look at drafts like that. You can say a prospect is comparable to those guys, but until they actually play. We have no idea.

happens every yr. I remember when guys like Simmons, aaron curry, kyle Pitts were regarded as the best prospects in the drafts. Can't miss.

s**t we thought Crabtree was the next Rice lol. I was so stoked when we drafted him.

Not gonna lie, I was so stoked too. Told my buddy I would do a backflip if we were able to draft him. When the Raiders passed on Crabs for DHB, I was in disbelief. Never did that backflip and he holds it against me to this day lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He won't anymore. GM's love them some DL. How funny (and sad) Andy gets Jones and Mahomes where he got them.

Chris Jones was a traits guy with upside. He was raw as s**t coming out of college. You had nfl analysts comping Kinlaw to him lol. Same + and - coming into the league.

There's dozens of guys like that turn into nothing. Comparing what if prospects to a in his prime guy like Jones is silly.

point is you can't just find dominant DL guys anywhere. You can't just find dominant OT like Trent. Guys like Kittle don't come around every draft etc etc.

just draft the best players. Stop trying to fill holes and push players up to r board because of need.

You of all guys should know this. Wrifs was BPA but at that point wasn't a need (knowing they were getting Trent) still take him and figure it out. They went need and now our 1st rd pick is playing for the Jets lol.

And you trust this FO to pick up Chris Jones 2.0 over Javon Kinlaw 2.0? Let's learn from past mistakes, here.

I hear you overall about BPA. I'm just not trusting this FO there with a DT.

Let's try something totally radical and go OL or CB.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:
I'm all over Troy Fautanu and think he slips for us to trade up due to his size and projection to G. I think he can still play T with his shorter arms bc his feet are freaky fast.

Trade up for Troy Fautanu in the 1rst
and snag Kingsley Suamataia in the 2nd

His arm length is fine at 34 1/2 " He should stay outside.. question is he will go top 25 and even 20?

Totally worth trading next years 1rst to move up to 20 to get Fautanu imo Think he can eventually take over for Trent Williams at LT but immediately start RT or RG. I like Suamataia's potential to develop to start at RT but RG at worst bc he can move too

I would love Fautanu but dear lord we better not trade a future first. We are so fortunate that the organization lucked into Brock Purdy. Had we not, and Lance didn't pan out, we would really be set back. I'm good with trading a couple of this years picks to go up and get Fautanu since we have quite a few, but not next years high end picks. We need to hit on these picks now more then ever because our teams core is aging and their backloaded contracts are getting more and more expensive, case in point AA. Not only do we need to find studs early in the draft to help maintain our window, but also find some quality depth out of the backend of the draft.

This years draft is rare stacked at T which is why I say invest a future 1rst which we typically don't draft well anyway. Fautanu is different in the way he moves, there won't be another player like him for a while and think he slips bc most teams like the size in the other T when I think 6'4 is perfect leverage for OL position. Suamataia can move too but again Fautanu move different.

Originally posted by NCommand:
And you trust this FO to pick up Chris Jones 2.0 over Javon Kinlaw 2.0? Let's learn from past mistakes, here.

I hear you overall about BPA. I'm just not trusting this FO there with a DT.

Let's try something totally radical and go OL or CB.

I expect this FO to do better than damn near every single FO. Our roster speaks for itself.

let's draft the best player that's sitting there. I know that's wild.