2024 Draft Class: OL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a good way of looking at it. I'm starting to hear chatter of a S at 31. Any high end FS's in this draft?

Anyone chattering about S at 31 hasn't paid attention to this draft class.

I dunno man. NC's got some strong connections in the NFL world

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a good way of looking at it. I'm starting to hear chatter of a S at 31. Any high end FS's in this draft?

Anyone chattering about S at 31 hasn't paid attention to this draft class.

I dunno man. NC's got some strong connections in the NFL world

Cooper DeJean for FS?

wait I thought this was an OL thread

Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a good way of looking at it. I'm starting to hear chatter of a S at 31. Any high end FS's in this draft?

Anyone chattering about S at 31 hasn't paid attention to this draft class.

I dunno man. NC's got some strong connections in the NFL world

Cooper DeJean for FS?

wait I thought this was an OL thread

It was a great draft OL thread until someone had to come in and muck it up

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

Yes, but every team is going to rate guys differently. Big movement or zone scheme, you're going to like his shuttle and 40 time. You look at lineman that have run sub 4.92 and its a very high hit rate. You see the tape at the next level where he is good in space. You see the effort level he gives. Some coaches are going to value that more. I imagine some team see him as a guard and that can impact rating. Some are looking for tackles that could be LT and will value that more versus a guy who is viewed solely as an RT. Some teams are looking for traits to develop, others looking for that more polished guy. While I wouldnt take RR at 31, I do think that talent level is there to push McKivitz for snaps right away. I'm not convinced he lasts back to 63 though.

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

I honestly thought/think the teams will like him more than the mock sites.

He actually had a better year than the other Washington tackle going higher. And Rosengarten was actually protecting Penix's blindside the past 2 years

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He simply has an eye for talent and development. And when he loses Superbowls because of his OL, he immediately rebuilds it and attacks it as a top priority.

He's had tier 1 OL when he won Superbowls. This last year it was high Tier 2 overall with a Tier 1 interior.

I told you you don't read. I already responded to your last paragraph in here.

He does? Only guys I'm seeing out of his 10 yrs in KC that turned into solid lineman were both guys from 2021, Mitch Morse (who they didn't resign), and spending the 1 overall pick on Eric Fisher lol.

Using some else's options on "tiers" to defend a stance is pretty wack man. You can't have a "tier 1" OL when you have avg to below avg starting OTs. That's the truth of it. Having the new GOAT at QB is what is winning him super bowls, let's keep s**t real.

I don't remember you telling me anything? Please post it again for me. I would like to see what you got, you should have plently of insight/thoughts on all these projects with the amount of time you spend talking about OL, right no hate or anything.

Creed? Buying OL is the same as recognizing the talent. He's done both, hence the current tier 1 interior. Yes, because his T's weren't awesome it dropped them down to tier 2.

That's a cheap way out. We've also seen PM get mauled and have his worst seasons when he doesn't have his tier 1 OL. This is why you need both. PM with a tier 1 OL just isn't fair. Watch what Andy does this year at T.

Previous page:

This year? I'm done. 7 years of off season plans in FA and the draft and ZERO matches from the FO.

They're on their own this year (so to speak). I'm no longer invested. If they fix it, we'll win. If they don't, we're the Bills.

To be fair, did you watch the superbowl? Eye test and statistics tell you our DL performed better vs their OL than vice versa. Their OL was not good our DL played a hell of a game.

Except when it mattered, of course. Like 2019. What was it, 1 combined pressure on PM in two 4th Q's and OT? And the reverse? Well, we know what happened. They also didn't give up a 50% pressure rate for the game, didn't have false starts, didn't have OL running into each other, singling Jones, leaving him unblocked, etc.

Big picture, Brock was a huge reason we were even IN that game under those circumstances. We saw PM in a Superbowl when he was pressured a ton. We saw Jimmy under those circumstances too.

Fix the OL. Like a podcaster just said: "Just fix the right side of the OL. How freaking hard IS that?"

They punted on FA. On to the draft...

There are still OL free agents. Andrus Peat could compete for RT and RG. Laken Tomlinson is still out there. Played poorly last year, but knows the scheme and could be good be a swing guard. Continue to monitor Connor Williams who is still rehabbing but would probably be looking for a one year prove it deal at C. Really elite player before the injury. Dalton Risner is a good pass blocking guard. Mark Glowinski was cut from the Giants. Decent PFF grade. Signed a former Giants G in Feliciano last year (also later in FA , March 20th) and it worked out pretty well.

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

Yes, but every team is going to rate guys differently. Big movement or zone scheme, you're going to like his shuttle and 40 time. You look at lineman that have run sub 4.92 and its a very high hit rate. You see the tape at the next level where he is good in space. You see the effort level he gives. Some coaches are going to value that more. I imagine some team see him as a guard and that can impact rating. Some are looking for tackles that could be LT and will value that more versus a guy who is viewed solely as an RT. Some teams are looking for traits to develop, others looking for that more polished guy. While I wouldnt take RR at 31, I do think that talent level is there to push McKivitz for snaps right away. I'm not convinced he lasts back to 63 though.

Yeah, I understand that. It was Kuiper since some people make fun of him with some of his takes. I got to check out more of this prospect and I definitely like the athleticism and see what his tape shows along with other people say about him.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

I honestly thought/think the teams will like him more than the mock sites.

He actually had a better year than the other Washington tackle going higher. And Rosengarten was actually protecting Penix's blindside the past 2 years

Yeah, I haven't paid much attention to him compare to the other prospects in this group.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Creed? Buying OL is the same as recognizing the talent. He's done both, hence the current tier 1 interior. Yes, because his T's weren't awesome it dropped them down to tier 2.

That's a cheap way out. We've also seen PM get mauled and have his worst seasons when he doesn't have his tier 1 OL. This is why you need both. PM with a tier 1 OL just isn't fair. Watch what Andy does this year at T.

Previous page:

This year? I'm done. 7 years of off season plans in FA and the draft and ZERO matches from the FO.

They're on their own this year (so to speak). I'm no longer invested. If they fix it, we'll win. If they don't, we're the Bills.

You're done? So you're just gonna complain and offer zero nuance or answers? Come on dude.

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

This was my write up of him.

Roger Rosengarten OT Washington.

watched some of his stuff as Penix's blindside (yes even the Michigan game 🤢)

he's got real quick feet. Great hand usage and timing. He can re-anchor quickly, has lots of counters and is not passive (got some dog in him), which can also get him in a little trouble. He can get to the second level with ease and takes good angles. He's athletic and the combine backed that up.

the lack of true length is noticeable. He oversets a lot and his anchor isn't great. He needs to get stronger for sure.

RBLK: he's ideal fit is zone blocking/pulling. He was actually pretty sweet pulling and he fits what we like to do running the ball.

The lack of length and power will be an issue, but he's a technician. His hand usage/footwork is great which can help a lot of those negatives. I'm not saying he's Joe Staley, but Joe had similar issues.

I think he can be a starting RT and would be a value pick in the 3rd.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

I honestly thought/think the teams will like him more than the mock sites.

He actually had a better year than the other Washington tackle going higher. And Rosengarten was actually protecting Penix's blindside the past 2 years

I like him but man that Michigan tape was bad. You can tell he's gotta get stonger and the lack of length is noticeable.

no way is he a 1st rd pick. If we haven't gone OT in the 1st, I I'm all for grabbing him in the second or moving up in the 3rd

I hope the 9ers draft Zach Frazier someway somehow. But I don't see Shanahan drafting him, Shanahan relies on veteran Centers it seems like. Would love to see him drafted, sat for a year like Aaron Banks then takeover for Brendel. That would be my dream draft, Graham Barton in the 1st then Zach Frazier in the 2nd.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like him but man that Michigan tape was bad. You can tell he's gotta get stonger and the lack of length is noticeable.

no way is he a 1st rd pick. If we haven't gone OT in the 1st, I I'm all for grabbing him in the second or moving up in the 3rd

I admit it wasn't great but not as bad as mist makes it sound. Fautanu looked almost just as bad IMO.

I agree I wouldn't go him in round one. I was mocking him with 63 cause I didn't see him making it to 94. But 31 is wasay to rich for me. For any of them really. Unless Mims somehow makes it.

Edit: I think he is on par with alot of the OTs some have been wanting at 31

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Just saw Kuiper mock us Rosengarten with our 31. I thought many projects him much much later?

This was my write up of him.

Roger Rosengarten OT Washington.

watched some of his stuff as Penix's blindside (yes even the Michigan game 🤢)

he's got real quick feet. Great hand usage and timing. He can re-anchor quickly, has lots of counters and is not passive (got some dog in him), which can also get him in a little trouble. He can get to the second level with ease and takes good angles. He's athletic and the combine backed that up.

the lack of true length is noticeable. He oversets a lot and his anchor isn't great. He needs to get stronger for sure.

RBLK: he's ideal fit is zone blocking/pulling. He was actually pretty sweet pulling and he fits what we like to do running the ball.

The lack of length and power will be an issue, but he's a technician. His hand usage/footwork is great which can help a lot of those negatives. I'm not saying he's Joe Staley, but Joe had similar issues.

I think he can be a starting RT and would be a value pick in the 3rd.

Good write up.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like him but man that Michigan tape was bad. You can tell he's gotta get stonger and the lack of length is noticeable.

no way is he a 1st rd pick. If we haven't gone OT in the 1st, I I'm all for grabbing him in the second or moving up in the 3rd

I admit it wasn't great but not as bad as mist makes it sound. Fautanu looked almost just as bad IMO.

I agree I wouldn't go him in round one. I was mocking him with 63 cause I didn't see him making it to 94. But 31 is wasay to rich for me. For any of them really. Unless Mims somehow makes it.

Edit: I think he is on par with alot of the OTs some have been wanting at 31

I like the player for the little tape I saw. But I agreed that taking him at 31 is too rich for me.