2024 Draft Class: OL

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Boooo

Latham is a Harbaugh RT if there ever was one https://t.co/PvrRUAZR08

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) March 20, 2024

They are going to pick Nabers imo

Shazam!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I like how he described OL building at the start of the podcast. Ideally, you want 5 quality players across the line with none of them needing to be the best at their position. He said an OL is only as good as the weakest link, and that while having Trent Wiliams is great, he almost becomes a crutch when the other guys aren't good, especially when it's crunch time and guys need to win their match ups.

unfortunately, the 49ers have multiple weak links.

Totally agree!

We don't need pro-bowlers across the line. When you're tossing a career backup UDFA to be your starting center, a day 3 guy who's shown nothing and was actually cut at one point at RT, plus you've been rotating in-game for multiple yrs at RG…on a Super Bowl roster…well it's more than fair for fans to say enough is enough.

Unlike others I think Coach Foster is a damn good OL coach. With the overall talent he's been given they've exceeded expectations. Time to infuse some talent there.

Where has this NY been my whole life? Haha.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He simply has an eye for talent and development. And when he loses Superbowls because of his OL, he immediately rebuilds it and attacks it as a top priority.

He's had tier 1 OL when he won Superbowls. This last year it was high Tier 2 overall with a Tier 1 interior.

I told you you don't read. I already responded to your last paragraph in here.

He does? Only guys I'm seeing out of his 10 yrs in KC that turned into solid lineman were both guys from 2021, Mitch Morse (who they didn't resign), and spending the 1 overall pick on Eric Fisher lol.

Using some else's options on "tiers" to defend a stance is pretty wack man. You can't have a "tier 1" OL when you have avg to below avg starting OTs. That's the truth of it. Having the new GOAT at QB is what is winning him super bowls, let's keep s**t real.

I don't remember you telling me anything? Please post it again for me. I would like to see what you got, you should have plently of insight/thoughts on all these projects with the amount of time you spend talking about OL, right no hate or anything.

Creed? Buying OL is the same as recognizing the talent. He's done both, hence the current tier 1 interior. Yes, because his T's weren't awesome it dropped them down to tier 2.

That's a cheap way out. We've also seen PM get mauled and have his worst seasons when he doesn't have his tier 1 OL. This is why you need both. PM with a tier 1 OL just isn't fair. Watch what Andy does this year at T.

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This year? I'm done. 7 years of off season plans in FA and the draft and ZERO matches from the FO.

They're on their own this year (so to speak). I'm no longer invested. If they fix it, we'll win. If they don't, we're the Bills.

To be fair, did you watch the superbowl? Eye test and statistics tell you our DL performed better vs their OL than vice versa. Their OL was not good our DL played a hell of a game.

Except when it mattered, of course. Like 2019. What was it, 1 combined pressure on PM in two 4th Q's and OT? And the reverse? Well, we know what happened. They also didn't give up a 50% pressure rate for the game, didn't have false starts, didn't have OL running into each other, singling Jones, leaving him unblocked, etc.

Big picture, Brock was a huge reason we were even IN that game under those circumstances. We saw PM in a Superbowl when he was pressured a ton. We saw Jimmy under those circumstances too.

Fix the OL. Like a podcaster just said: "Just fix the right side of the OL. How freaking hard IS that?"

They punted on FA. On to the draft...

I too want to upgrade the OL. But what you described is coaching. If you're going to die on the hill of the Chiefs OL performed well in the superbowl as your arbitrary "high Tier 2 unit" then you are willingly trolling.

Both OL's going in were tier 2.

I'm just saying, when talent needed to stand on its own, theirs did when it mattered most and ours failed; and that's the theme. That's all.

They punted on FA. So let's do it right this time via the draft.

Originally posted by illinois9er:
They are going to pick Nabers imo

Strong chance Nabers is BPA at their pick, but I dont think thats is Harbaughs preference. Last year Harbarugh wins a title with Mccarthy (a top 12 pick) and Roman Wilson (a top 50 player) and he wins by running the football and controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. I think the Chargers would love to move back. See what the Jets and Broncos have the offer. Maybe take the Vikings up on that 11 and 23 for 5 deal. WR is a glaring need, but their secondary was terrible last year, Herbert needs protection and was beat up, Bosa and Mack could use some fresh energy to spell them on the edge.

Use 11 and 23 on OL and DL. Bring in Latham/Fuaga and Latu/Chop. And then look at WR with 37 and/or 69. Should still be able to grab a Mitchell, Worthy, Legette, Coleman type at 37.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Boooo

Latham is a Harbaugh RT if there ever was one https://t.co/PvrRUAZR08

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) March 20, 2024

Harbaugh comes in, gets rid of his WR's, gets a RB, keeps his ER's and you know damn well he's going both trenches.

Basically, he's a $2 steak version of Kyle. Ha

Originally posted by Heroism:
Schwartz loves Jackson Powers-Johnson. Thinks he's the best value pick at 31 if he's there. Could put him at guard right away or move to center in the future.

i cant see him falling anywhere near us but if he did id run the card up myself lol

Originally posted by Heroism:
I don't think Shanny trusts a rookie. He's never had a rookie center in his career.

But that shouldn't preclude them from drafting one, especially if he can play guard. Have that dude come in, earn Shanny's trust and take over center in a year or two.

That was my thought about drafting Frazier or Haynes. Put them at RG initially and then eventually move them over to center.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I don't think Shanny trusts a rookie. He's never had a rookie center in his career.

But that shouldn't preclude them from drafting one, especially if he can play guard. Have that dude come in, earn Shanny's trust and take over center in a year or two.

That was my thought about drafting Frazier or Haynes. Put them at RG initially and then eventually move them over to center.

Love it. Also, if you can play T in this scheme, you can play G too.
McGlinchey said the G's in this system are essentially, the workhorses.

"I think the Guard position on our offense is one of the most demanding that we have, outside of QB position."

I'm seeing a number of T's projected to slide inside. That's probably ideal in our system, given how much they are on the move.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Love it. Also, if you can play T in this scheme, you can play G too.
McGlinchey said the G's in this system are essentially, the workhorses.

"I think the Guard position on our offense is one of the most demanding that we have, outside of QB position."

I'm seeing a number of T's projected to slide inside. That's probably ideal in our system, given how much they are on the move.

I'm not using a 1st to convert a OT to IOL, especially if it's to OG.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Love it. Also, if you can play T in this scheme, you can play G too.
McGlinchey said the G's in this system are essentially, the workhorses.

"I think the Guard position on our offense is one of the most demanding that we have, outside of QB position."

I'm seeing a number of T's projected to slide inside. That's probably ideal in our system, given how much they are on the move.

I'm not using a 1st to convert a OT to IOL, especially if it's to OG.

I know you wouldn't. You love losing Superbowls because of dudes like Mike Person and Spencer Burford.

Andy Reid disagrees.

The overall point was there isn't much difference between T and G in this system. If we get a "pure" T at 31 and grab another with the 2nd or 3rd pick, he might project inside in this system.

I'm just saying don't discount picking a T to play G if he's your BPA.

They are athletic workhorses in this system.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Love it. Also, if you can play T in this scheme, you can play G too.
McGlinchey said the G's in this system are essentially, the workhorses.

"I think the Guard position on our offense is one of the most demanding that we have, outside of QB position."

I'm seeing a number of T's projected to slide inside. That's probably ideal in our system, given how much they are on the move.

I'm not using a 1st to convert a OT to IOL, especially if it's to OG.

I know you wouldn't. You love losing Superbowls because of dudes like Mike Person and Spencer Burford.

Andy Reid disagrees.

The overall point was there isn't much difference between T and G in this system. If we get a "pure" T at 31 and grab another with the 2nd or 3rd pick, he might project inside in this system.

I'm just saying don't discount picking a T to play G if he's your BPA.

They are athletic workhorses in this system.

I'm team NC this draft. Load up on the big boys!

The team is solid across the board but the OL was our weak link, almost getting away with it shouldn't be a reason to try it again. Aaron Donald may be out of the division but there are plenty of talented interior defenders who can make things hell for our offense. And if we plan on beating KC...Chris Jones is a hell of a problem we need to deal with.

I don't want the 49ers to reach for OL so if there is someone too good to pass up, fine take BPA but hoping it lines up with OL and we take at least 2 if not 3 of them.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Love it. Also, if you can play T in this scheme, you can play G too.
McGlinchey said the G's in this system are essentially, the workhorses.

"I think the Guard position on our offense is one of the most demanding that we have, outside of QB position."

I'm seeing a number of T's projected to slide inside. That's probably ideal in our system, given how much they are on the move.

I'm not using a 1st to convert a OT to IOL, especially if it's to OG.

I know you wouldn't. You love losing Superbowls because of dudes like Mike Person and Spencer Burford.

Andy Reid disagrees.

The overall point was there isn't much difference between T and G in this system. If we get a "pure" T at 31 and grab another with the 2nd or 3rd pick, he might project inside in this system.

I'm just saying don't discount picking a T to play G if he's your BPA.

They are athletic workhorses in this system.

I'm team NC this draft. Load up on the big boys!

The team is solid across the board but the OL was our weak link, almost getting away with it shouldn't be a reason to try it again. Aaron Donald may be out of the division but there are plenty of talented interior defenders who can make things hell for our offense. And if we plan on beating KC...Chris Jones is a hell of a problem we need to deal with.

I don't want the 49ers to reach for OL so if there is someone too good to pass up, fine take BPA but hoping it lines up with OL and we take at least 2 if not 3 of them.

My man.

I'm in the same boat on BPA. That said, they are in prime position to really make strides in "fixing" the OL. It was a tier 2 unit last year (beyond most expectations back in TC) and with a couple moves, could really become younger and stronger and help take this offense to new heights.

It's a 2 year project, IMHO. The hope is the youngsters (C/G/T) learn from the vets and slowly get integrated in and by the end of the 17 games, are hitting their stride.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I know you wouldn't. You love losing Superbowls because of dudes like Mike Person and Spencer Burford.

Andy Reid disagrees.

The overall point was there isn't much difference between T and G in this system. If we get a "pure" T at 31 and grab another with the 2nd or 3rd pick, he might project inside in this system.

I'm just saying don't discount picking a T to play G if he's your BPA.

They are athletic workhorses in this system.

Who's the last guard Andy Reid drafted in the 1st rd? Who's the last OT Andy Reid drafted in the 1st rd with the sole intention of moving him to OG? I'll wait.

Cry me a river, our backup RG at that point blew a block. f**king happens. There's half a dozen other things that led to both losses outside of IOL play. You're just too stubborn to admit it or have it be part of the conversation.

There's absolutely a difference. Outside of this one yr, they've valued OT MUCH more. Currently paying one the most $ in football and drafted another one top 10. They grabbed a dude off the street and turned him into a top 5 OG this past yr. He got hurt in the Super Bowl. Sucks and it happens.

Also, how's someone who's never played a position you intend to play him at "BPA"? That's a f**king projection. Nothing more. You're hoping he can play well, there's literally no proof. At the very least get a guy who can project at center which is BY FAR more valuable in this scheme.

I mean can you name me a player we drafted that played a totally different position and we converted him to something else…and it was a success?

If they want a OT move up and get one. If they want a OG wait and go after the other dozen or so that are damn good.

Go do some homework and see for yourself, there's plenty of IOL in this draft.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'm team NC this draft. Load up on the big boys!

The team is solid across the board but the OL was our weak link, almost getting away with it shouldn't be a reason to try it again. Aaron Donald may be out of the division but there are plenty of talented interior defenders who can make things hell for our offense. And if we plan on beating KC...Chris Jones is a hell of a problem we need to deal with.

I don't want the 49ers to reach for OL so if there is someone too good to pass up, fine take BPA but hoping it lines up with OL and we take at least 2 if not 3 of them.

No one is saying don't draft OL. I'm saying don't reach for positional need (which you agree with).

Don't project player position switches & use a 1st on that. Dont take a guy (in the 1st) that isn't gonna be a OT at the next level, push him to OG, and think that's a win….At the very least project that he can play center, which is much more important in this scheme. OT>>>>OC>>>>OG.

how about we draft an OT to play OT, a OG to OG or OC to play OC? If those guys aren't there when we're picking then draft the best player there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I know you wouldn't. You love losing Superbowls because of dudes like Mike Person and Spencer Burford.

Andy Reid disagrees.

The overall point was there isn't much difference between T and G in this system. If we get a "pure" T at 31 and grab another with the 2nd or 3rd pick, he might project inside in this system.

I'm just saying don't discount picking a T to play G if he's your BPA.

They are athletic workhorses in this system.

Who's the last guard Andy Reid drafted in the 1st rd? Who's the last OT Andy Reid drafted in the 1st rd with the sole intention of moving him to OG? I'll wait.

Cry me a river, our backup RG at that point blew a block. f**king happens. There's half a dozen other things that led to both losses outside of IOL play. You're just too stubborn to admit it or have it be part of the conversation.

There's absolutely a difference. Outside of this one yr, they've valued OT MUCH more. Currently paying one the most $ in football and drafted another one top 10. They grabbed a dude off the street and turned him into a top 5 OG this past yr. He got hurt in the Super Bowl. Sucks and it happens.

Also, how's someone who's never played a position you intend to play him at "BPA"? That's a f**king projection. Nothing more. You're hoping he can play well, there's literally no proof. At the very least get a guy who can project at center which is BY FAR more valuable in this scheme.

I mean can you name me a player we drafted that played a totally different position and we converted him to something else…and it was a success?

If they want a OT move up and get one. If they want a OG wait and go after the other dozen or so that are damn good.

Go do some homework and see for yourself, there's plenty of IOL in this draft.

He buys them. Because he sees the value of having tier 1 play at C+T or G-C-G.

You're too stubborn to realize minimizing the G position has cost us Superbowl wins in the end. And the entire OL in the Superbowl was a hot mess. Tier 5 level play. If that was even a competent OL, it would have been a blowout.

Alex Boone. Half our current OL. Tons if T's are projected to play inside because of the length of their arms, height, weight, lack of athleticism, etc. T-to-G might be THE most common switch in the NFL.

At 31, the odds of you getting a top C and G are great. Far better than the 10th best T. Go BPA there. You don't pass on that because of an archaic view of the value of G's...esp. in this system. Especially after it's cost you 2 Superbowls.

See the light, brother. You're so close.