Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. I actually heard indirectly via a pod about his philosophy on the OL and all of his references (fist). Love it. First thing he does is kick the WR's (position value) out the door and retains the DL. He's a big trench guy. No doubt he'll stock up in the draft too. He gets it.
Gets how to lose to inferior teams in the SB because he doesn't value a functioning passing attack.
Yea I'm confused. The NC argument is always how the chiefs beat us in the Superbowl because of their OL (though first it was all about having tier 1 tackles with adequate guards and now it's all about tier 1 guards with adequate tackles). How many superbowls has Jim Harbaugh won?
Huh? Tier 1 OL's are built differently. You think every tier 1 DL is built the same? I noted the Chiefs as an example of doing it against the common T-C-T model. Perhaps you're not comprehending well. Also, the Chiefs didn't have a tier 1 OL. They had a tier 1 interior but overall, were a high tier 2.
As to Harbaugh, he's spot on. The OL is the only unit where every other position is dependent on how they play together. He went on to talk about how the OL works like a fist...5 fingers working together to punch people in the mouth. Love it. He's not wrong.
It sounds like, even after 2 Superbowl losses, there are still fans who aren't getting it.
In 2019, after you blamed the superbowl loss on the OL, the chiefs were THE blue print, with their 2 tackles who had elite seasons and mediocre interior. The niners NEEDED to start taking the OL more serious like the chiefs if they were to ever win a superbowl, never mind that the chiefs had a rag tag group of guys in the superbowl thanks to injuries and that they won the game despite our DL out pressuring and out sacking theirs.
In 2023, after you blamed the superbowl loss on the OL, the chiefs were THE blue print, with their interior OL who had elite seasons and mediocre tackles. The niners NEED to start taking the OL more seriously like the chiefs if they are ever to win a superbowl, never mind that they won the game despite our DL out pressuring and out sacking theirs.
You are so adamant that our superbowl failures are based on not following the chiefs blueprint, when they don't even have one. Absolutely we should be looking to upgrade the OL (just like every other position), but i refuse to blame our losses on the fact that the #1 or #2 interior DL in the NFL and an all time great made great plays, and I refuse to believe that he won't make plays no matter who lines up across from him.
That said, I do think there needs to be a slight philosophical change where this team needs to better prioritize pass blocking. This offense needs high level run blockers, but ultimately, OL are paid to pass protect.
Wrongo.
2019 Chiefs HAD a tier 1 OL. We had a tier 1 DL. I'd say our DL was > over their OL through 3Q. But like we just saw in 2023, in the 4Q (and O.T.), when it mattered most, their OL produced 1 total pressure and were able to run/pass comfortably (no, PM was NOT scrambling around making backyard plays). On the flip side, our OL s**t the bed in every way possible (penalties, hits, sacks, 50% pressure rate, protection calls, ad libs, etc.).
And no, it wasn't just Chris Jones killing drives and opportunities either. When you're giving up a 50%+ pressure rate in both games IN a quick-pass offense, the entire unit is getting worked.
Like I always said, you can do a lot as a "unit" but eventually, your talent is going to have to stand on its own when it matters. And that's where ours failed, badly x3.
I don't know how much more evidence a fan could get that it wasn't good enough. Honestly, it's embarrassing there is still a very small minority who still can't see the correlation. Had we had even moderate play at a unit that effects everything else, we might have 2 more chips right now with the last one being a Bucs vs.Chiefs-like blowout.
Again, as to the Chiefs OL, they are NOT the gold standard. They were high tier 2 last year. I used them as an example of how one can build an OL differently from the traditional T-C-T combo. Andy built a tier 1 interior + adequate T's and countered with a quick-pass offense (shortest air yards in his career).
But if they add a top T in this draft to their current interior, you can bet your ass they'll end up right back in tier 1 overall. And that's scary for the league.
Let's move this team building discussion to the OL thread. Let's not derail a great thread anymore.
Or just PM me and we can talk.
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 28, 2024 at 4:43 AM ]
